Bolivar
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Hmmm, good point. I didn't look that closely. I think it's odd that the ambi selector is included by not the ambi mag release.
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Hmmm, good point. I didn't look that closely. I think it's odd that the ambi selector is included by not the ambi mag release.
r34skyline
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BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you implying a C8 is on par with a 416 on performance? You guys are funny.
Isn't that what Ryan from ammosource said?
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you implying a C8 is on par with a 416 on performance? You guys are funny.
Isn't that what Ryan from ammosource said?
The HK416 is not what it is all hyped up to be. HK is like snake oil saleman, they put so much propaganda out there to support their products. People buy into the hype. Why don't you ask Vancouver Police Dept about their HK416. They have bolt carriers wearing through the sides of the upper receiver in less than 1000 rounds.
First year production run was slated for 2500 of each model, for a total of 5000.
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The way I figure it, it's $400-$600 over what I *want* to pay, but spread out over the 25 or so years I'll still be able to shoot ARs (health permitting), that comes out to around $16-$24/year, AND I will probably be handing it down to my son anyways way before that - which I'm sure he'd appreciate. More so once we move to the US and he can point to it and say "my dad carried one just like that".
You can't take it with you (trust me on this. Been there and done that and wasn't asked for a credit card while there....)
You can't take it with you (trust me on this. Been there and done that and wasn't asked for a credit card while there....)
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They had more than 6 and they keep putting up more. But thanks for coming out to play.
HK puts out propaganda??? Since when?? The only thing I see is their advertisements and website, the famous Colt Vs Hk video was not HK releasing it directly or indirectly either?
On that statement alone I have zero faith or belief in any thing you type accept your obvious affinity and possible knowledge for Colt Canada and everything COLT. I don't see HK employees on the internets trying to convince people to buy there product over companies A,B,C like Colt employees do on many US forums that I have been on over the years even though I'm new to this one here. CC makes top of the line products but the HK416 was engineered recently(12+ years ago) with some similar but different requirements in mind. Kinda taking a different route to get to the same places in many respects but accomplishing things a C7/8 could not on levels needed for certain units..
Its a great system and may have been the best overall but it is not needed for many, but is needed badly by few and a C8 and even IUR that was built to compete with it did not beat it out on most occasions.
I'm pretty sure LAV made a statement about this over a year ago. As for Vancouver Police till I see a confirmed document that proves the validity of that statement I consider it rumors at best. Please show proof on that and back up that statement.
As for COLT Canada I suspect they will not be happy with the dealer they have representing there products and they should not be at that price being offered in 2014 for a Made in Canada product!
Either way, basing the value of a newly available product on some other shop's flash bargain basement is absurd... It's genius marketing on their part, moving a handful of rifles at unheard of prices, but they may just have set the bar a little low.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Are you implying a C8 is on par with a 416 on performance? You guys are funny.
Isn't that what Ryan from ammosource said?
Laugh and LOL all you want. Professional users and organizations vote with the wallet.
No one is going to lose sleep over this C8 vs HK thing. Sometimes you win a contract, sometimes you lose. It is the way it is. They are just different weapon systems of similar layout.
If your organization got money and you are not a questionable nation, most likely you will end up with a HK416 or C8 for your high end troops. SG55X is more like the choice of the yester years. If money is a concern, you will end up with a G36, and these days could be an ARX160.
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r34skyline
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Oh right I forgot this forum is crawling with diemaco/cc shills. Yes boss your rifle is untouchable. Best in the world. The rivalling HK416 is ####tier than norincos. Got it. I'm out.
As for the bolt carriers destroying planets in their paths. I'll just leave this here.
http://soldiersystems.net/2013/03/30/canipe-correspondence-retiring-my-416
As for the bolt carriers destroying planets in their paths. I'll just leave this here.
http://soldiersystems.net/2013/03/30/canipe-correspondence-retiring-my-416
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So two industry reps from rival companies recommend Colt Canada rifles and they become shills?
They know what's on the market and how it is really performing.
They know what's on the market and how it is really performing.
I disagree with Greentips analogy however. Colt Canada (then Diemaco) took over a lot of Colt's European sales due to Colt being stressed with the M4 contract.
Colt Canada makes a good product - but I would not compare it to certain weapons companies.
Would I feel inadequately armed with a Colt or Colt Canada gun in harms way? Absolutely not - I have.
Do I feel there are "better guns" out there - yes, but what is the requirement?
How fast do you need to go?
How many rounds are you going to shoot in a year/service weapon life?
Are you running it suppressed.
What's your budget.
No entity in this day and age has an unlimited budget for guns anymore, several high end entities new gun programs have been shelved due to budget, or cuts from best performance to best value.
Colt Canada makes a good product - but I would not compare it to certain weapons companies.
Would I feel inadequately armed with a Colt or Colt Canada gun in harms way? Absolutely not - I have.
Do I feel there are "better guns" out there - yes, but what is the requirement?
How fast do you need to go?
How many rounds are you going to shoot in a year/service weapon life?
Are you running it suppressed.
What's your budget.
No entity in this day and age has an unlimited budget for guns anymore, several high end entities new gun programs have been shelved due to budget, or cuts from best performance to best value.
Are you serious?
Anyway, I had never heard of the Vancouver police issues, but I'd believe it - I did see a rather extensive description of serious deficiencies with the 416, including photographs, compiled by a Norwegian Army armorer that had similar issues, and even some unique ones, with many, many rifles. The same complaints keep popping up all over the place about the 416, I think there's some validity to them.
It's enough evidence in my mind that I'd take a C8A3 any day over an HK416, even if the barrel profile is absolute nonsense.
They would be outcasts if they crapped on a COLT. You wouldn't burn bridges in any industry your are in.
Invites to events would stop - contacts would not return calls - tenders would slowly disappear.
Don't forget. The army doesn't buy the best. They buy the Cheapest form the Company that can produce enough quantity. Lots of better AR platforms but they can't meet the demand. Colt can..for cheap. Great, that would make me feel secure as an operator. I got the cheapest weapon by the company with the most capacity.
There have been 2 post since my last that continue to dwell on the 'Walmart' issue. ?? Why !! LOL. Under $999 for a COLT is COMMON. Not a sub standard COLT. THese are the Same COLTs that we used to pay $3000 for.....
Just because they are cheaper now does not make them less of a weapon.
I think Colt fans are hurt their Rifles have been Devalued Substantially over the last year. I can buy Better Rifles than those in your valued collection for less than 1/2 the price you paid. Your 3 or 4 COLTs you paid $10,000 for 5 years ago , I can get for $4,000 now. Somehow crapping on the new pricing might give you a chance to save some value on your rifles?
I think the game is over for the over priced Colts. The market knows they have no more value. Canada was the last border. They could be sold here for $3000, but no more. COLT is where they belong....back with the rest of the $1000 guns
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Ok, honestly, at this point, this is what i want someone to do:
Take a "higher end" AR-15 in the affordable market range of 1k to 1.5k and compare it to Colt Canada's offer.
Compare, fit, finish, materials used, every single part of the damn gun!
Then evaluate if it's really worth it. It's the only way to see if anything on that gun can justify the price tag.
Take a "higher end" AR-15 in the affordable market range of 1k to 1.5k and compare it to Colt Canada's offer.
Compare, fit, finish, materials used, every single part of the damn gun!
Then evaluate if it's really worth it. It's the only way to see if anything on that gun can justify the price tag.
The value is based on end user. Not on quality of the rifle, materials or components.
Just like everyone has to have whatever Costa is using or if Haley is using it it must be the best and worth 3 times as much.
If this were true then our Canadian troops would be buying USA made Colt rifles at an American Wal-mart, not the superior and more expensive Canadian made Colts.
Have you even handled or shot a Canadian made Colt? What is your expertise that allows you the confidence to state the things you do?
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