...and in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan apparently?
Colt Canada unveils at CANSEC 2024 new C8A4 to equip Canadian Army.
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...and in the deserts of Iraq and Afghanistan apparently?
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Don't have to buy different guns for vehicle crews. I know in Afghanistan I had a C7, then switched to convoys and was given a sightless C8. With hey.....mount your optic off your C7 on it. Then switch back to my C7 and have 2 unsighted guns. The 4inch less barrel isn't gonna make a huge difference in accuracy when comes to accuracy.
Because in the NWO everyone will get a suppressor, that is another 4" to 5" to the front.
Long barrel on 5.56 is also a waste . 11.5 + suppressor is all it needs for within 200m and 300m max, that is what useful for joes. guys who got the 11.5 their mains jobs are to get close to the net and shove the puck in, face to face at the goalie.
The higher magnification with optics is mostly not for precision engaging target at 500m + on KD , it is for identifying targets and actually figuring out what one it is shooting at. 6X power is pretty much what it is needed to identify the head gear at 200m and 9X at 300m.
Anyone who need to cover range over 300m should get a different weapon with computerized self adjusting LRF integrated optic like NSGW-FC. In the NWO it should be a 6.8X51 LMG/SAW or DMR.
Long barrel on 5.56 is also a waste . 11.5 + suppressor is all it needs for within 200m and 300m max, that is what useful for joes. guys who got the 11.5 their mains jobs are to get close to the net and shove the puck in, face to face at the goalie.
The higher magnification with optics is mostly not for precision engaging target at 500m + on KD , it is for identifying targets and actually figuring out what one it is shooting at. 6X power is pretty much what it is needed to identify the head gear at 200m and 9X at 300m.
Anyone who need to cover range over 300m should get a different weapon with computerized self adjusting LRF integrated optic like NSGW-FC. In the NWO it should be a 6.8X51 LMG/SAW or DMR.
This isn't a case of CC dreaming up a configuration with the hopes of selling it to DND. DND tells them what to make in a list of requirements. The A4 designation is because it is the next in line and DND tells them that at the outset of the discussions.
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It's amazing how far things adapted. 2001 running around with fixed stock C7 in OD green and webbing, learning trench warfare. Now we're getting suppressor, and better optics.
Messed this up a bit on my first go, here's my final answer!
For cowitness ability with the popup iron sights, surely?
Further thought: I wonder how one of those SAI Optics SAI 6 scopes would mount on a Tikka Arctic rifle? Casually eyeballing it, it looks like it would be a good match with the same or different cowitnessing scope mounts.
This thread needs pictures and I need to know what the point of a cantilever optic mount on an IUR is.
For cowitness ability with the popup iron sights, surely?
Further thought: I wonder how one of those SAI Optics SAI 6 scopes would mount on a Tikka Arctic rifle? Casually eyeballing it, it looks like it would be a good match with the same or different cowitnessing scope mounts.
1-6X is cutting edge in 2013 to 2014 when Leupold MK6 was first released, and in 2019 spec'ed by the US army. For something to be entering service in 2027 it should be spec'ed at 1-10X at least ( USMC got 1-8X VCOG and UK special Brigade got 1-10x), if we are to play the VPO game.
If they are to mount LVPO ( now MVPO with 10X), they should have off set iron sight for close in and/or Mini-reflex on top for CBRN head gear and passive NV aiming. Personally I like reflex sight because they kinda work even when the front is obstructed and covered by water.
Blast from the past
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...for-a-Colt-Canada-MRR-11-5-quot?highlight=MRR
I just necro-bumped the old thread up.
If they are to mount LVPO ( now MVPO with 10X), they should have off set iron sight for close in and/or Mini-reflex on top for CBRN head gear and passive NV aiming. Personally I like reflex sight because they kinda work even when the front is obstructed and covered by water.
Blast from the past
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...for-a-Colt-Canada-MRR-11-5-quot?highlight=MRR
I just necro-bumped the old thread up.
The 1-6 has a very attractive price though, assuming it's as high quality an optic as it seems to be. And it has (what I'm told is} a Call Of Duty style rapid aiming reticle!
Coool!
I'll post this update in the revived thread that's no longer dead too.
Gunnerlove
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10x results in far to much tunnel vision which becomes deadly with moderately to poorly trained troops. Great on the range though.
The 3.4 and 4x have proven themselves to reasonably increase hit probability.
Murphys law is that a variable optic will always be set to where it is least convenient. Just go hunting and prove it to yourself.
The 3.4 and 4x have proven themselves to reasonably increase hit probability.
Murphys law is that a variable optic will always be set to where it is least convenient. Just go hunting and prove it to yourself.
With ~3.5 inches of eye relief the 1-6 is not a good candidate for a scout scope type setup, that rear sight won't be popping up unless the scope is removed and from the looks of it tools will be required. Co-witnessing magnified optics doesn't really work.
cptseawolf
CGN Regular
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Because you don't need 20" barrels to do almost anything we are expected to do. The furthest you shoot on a C7/C8 PWT3 qualification range is 300m
I don't know, but the scope in question goes has a dial down to zero magnification option. And especially in the case of the Ranger rifle, maybe I was overusing using the term 'cowitness' but I don't know another one, I meant a choice of both sights might be available at the same time by sighting through the scope mount, not the scope.
Cameron SS
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The military has access to more than one type of firearm.
As a general purpose service rifle to be issued on mass to Infantry, the shorter barrel and ease of movement in close quarters is far more useful than the greater range that a few inches of barrel offers.
Anecdotally, in Canadas most recent combat mission in afghanistan, the vast majority of small arms engagements were at 150m or less.
This may change in the next conflict, however for the time being the adoprion of the suppressor which is highly advantagous also necessitates a reduction in barrel length, which is a trade i suspect virtually every soldier would willingly make.
Think you're quite wrong about barrel length - Much over 100 yds you're not going to get much terminal performance with standard FMJ out of just a 11.5 inch bbl. Useful barrel length for room clearing perhaps but not much else.
Lots of terminal performance data out there to back that up.
not much terminal performance is up for debate. Temporary cavitation beyond tissue stretch factor is the biggest value in bullets when they enter tissue beyond 2500 fps. Below 2500 fps then permanent cavity is primary wounding mechanism and fragmentation can lead to multiple permanent wound cavities. Fragmentation usually is above 2500fps in 5.56. That does NOT mean it is completely ineffective below 2500 fps. A 55-77gr projectile entering tissue at 1500 fps will still cause wound trauma incapacitation. same at 1000 fps. What it may require is multiple upper thoracic hits or one well placed CNS hit to cause IMMEDIATE or near immediate incapacitation.
