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Since I will be shooting the 6.5 Lapua and the 6.5x47’s brass are expensive ( Lapua) , no other company produces this caliber too. Does anybody you know or can recommend a commercial “Annealing” business to the public. Also looking for a modified case for this caliber. I basically in the GTA area. Thanks
 
I shoot same cartridges and anneal after about a dozen reloads. IMO annealing after so few cycles is not necessary. Maybe if one was in top flight completion it would be a good idea?
 
JEC said:
I shoot same cartridges and anneal after about a dozen reloads. IMO annealing after so few cycles is not necessary. Maybe if one was in top flight completion it would be a good idea?
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Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load . More of accuracy is I’m after, 500 yards max , majority within 300 is the range have access.
 
From my perspective it depends on several factors including the chamber, the brass and the load. I find with my 300 WSM that neck splits are a concern so I anneal every time. As well for me interestingly it seems that winchester brass splits easier. At least that has been my experience.
 
ffgats said:
Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load . More of accuracy is I’m after, 500 yards max , majority within 300 is the range have access.
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I have not kept track, but would expect brass might start showing signs of fatigue after about 20 firings. My brass is not worked to extremes as my chamber necks are relatively tight.
 
ffgats said:
Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load . More of accuracy is I’m after, 500 yards max , majority within 300 is the range have access.
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Case neck splits, or primers too easy to seat into primer pocket, or case head separation - your brass is done. No way that I know to come back from those things. Is not absolute number - 3 times fired to 25 times fired, I guess. To some extent, for some cartridges, you control some of that by how hot you reload and how well or how poorly you fit your brass to the chamber, when you are re-sizing.
 
ffgats said:
Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load . More of accuracy is I’m after, 500 yards max , majority within 300 is the range have access.
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I went through a 308 barrel with only 200 pieces of Lapua brass 23 loadings and the brass still looks like new.
I was loading over book max.
I annealed ever 1-2 firings to have consistent spring back.

These days you can buy a decent annealer for under $300 Canadian. That's less than the price of 200 pieces of Lapua brass.
 
ffgats said:
Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load.
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2 good questions, one is linked to the other in my experience.
I started out annealing every 4th firing, then realized my neck tension was higher after 2 or 3 firings, and I was seeing neck splits sooner than I expected in Lapua brass. This is in 6.5 Creedmoor small rifle primed brass.
I full length size also.
I switched to annealing every firing. My neck tension is more consistent, and brass is up to 24 firings in some cases.
If you're going to anneal every firing, you need to find a way to do it yourself.
How hot your loads are also affect brass life, as does how much it's worked every time you process it.
My rifle is a factory Savage, I can't imagine there is anything special about that chamber.
 
thump_rrr said:
I went through a 308 barrel with only 200 pieces of Lapua brass 23 loadings and the brass still looks like new.
I was loading over book max.
I annealed ever 1-2 firings to have consistent spring back.

These days you can buy a decent annealer for under $300 Canadian. That's less than the price of 200 pieces of Lapua brass.
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Got a link? - dan
 
ffgats said:
Good to know, btw how firings until annealing is necessary?, and also what’s the max firings until the brass is done?, not really loading warm load . More of accuracy is I’m after, 500 yards max , majority within 300 is the range have access.
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Well - It depends on the state of the brass, both work hardness and basic composition. Brass is annealed several times through the manufacturing process, but can leave the factory in a relatively work hardened state. In addition, the basic alloy may vary amongst manufacturers, with some being inherently harder, or less ductile.
In my personal experience, both Winchester and Sellier and Bellot brass is hard right from the factory, and is prone to neck splits after one firing. Annealing the virgin brass has resolved the issue in both cases. I havent exposed this brass to multiple loadings, so I cant comment on longevity beyond 2-3 firings.
 
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