confrontations with outfitters while hunting on crown land?

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any one have issues while hunting on crown land where an outfitter has a concession? seems we are hearing more and more issues in the Yukon over the last few years about such things. As well as air charters not wanting to drop local hunters off at certain lakes as perhaps a an agreement was made with outfitters in certain areas. northern Canada hunting sure has become big business
 
Outfitters have the right to sell hunts.
That is the only right they have over and above resident hunters.
They have no more right to Crown land than anyone else afaik.
Years back a new outfitter took over the area where my partner and I had bear hunted for years.
He sprayed our baits and put his own in within 100m.
He only lasted one season there and was lucky to escape with his life.
 
Air charters that is a funny story that should be enforced by the COs.

outfitters are buying a block of hours that they use or not but that means they don t have to fly locals ...

look what happen with the concession that was not operated for 14 or 17 years and given to a new operator where he has the same number of tags as the resident ...

James we definetely have to speak about the new hunters and anglers stuff.

Phil
 
Air charter operators are governed by the federal government, which give out and control the charters. The charter is given to "serve the people of the area."
Big game outfitters are a major source of air charter business in large areas of the north. Thus, if the outfitter is paying the charter service for a lot of trips to sheep lake, the charter operator will do his best to keep the outfitter happy.
If a non guided hunter asks the pilot where a good lake is to fly to into for mountain sheep, the pilot will never tell him, "Sheep Lake."
But if the non guided hunter contacts the charter operator and tells him they want to be flown into Sheep Lake, they will be flown into Sheep Lake.
Any hunter being refused a flight into a lake to hunt, because of the outfitter there, can contact the federal agency governing air services and the charter operator will have some serious questions to answer.
The charter operator was given his charter licence to serve the area and he/she must do so, or run a high risk of losing their charter.
 
H4831 said:
Air charter operators are governed by the federal government, which give out and control the charters. The charter is given to "serve the people of the area."
Big game outfitters are a major source of air charter business in large areas of the north. Thus, if the outfitter is paying the charter service for a lot of trips to sheep lake, the charter operator will do his best to keep the outfitter happy.
If a non guided hunter asks the pilot where a good lake is to fly to into for mountain sheep, the pilot will never tell him, "Sheep Lake."
But if the non guided hunter contacts the charter operator and tells him they want to be flown into Sheep Lake, they will be flown into Sheep Lake.
Any hunter being refused a flight into a lake to hunt, because of the outfitter there, can contact the federal agency governing air services and the charter operator will have some serious questions to answer.
The charter operator was given his charter licence to serve the area and he/she must do so, or run a high risk of losing their charter.
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that means except one no more charter flights in the Yukon ....
 
I actually know a guy here in saskatchewan who had a problem with an outfitter on crown land. I think issues lasted for 3-4 yrs. outfitter finally gave up hassling them.
 
doc25 said:
I actually know a guy here in saskatchewan who had a problem with an outfitter on crown land. I think issues lasted for 3-4 yrs. outfitter finally gave up hassling them.
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Had a couple of incidents over the years , important to know your rights and stand your ground. Can think of one incident where a couple of outfitters had a row that ended in a fist fight. No exclusive areas or limited number of outfitters, besides Sheep, in Alberta.


Grizz
 
We had an area where we had permission for years. Good relationship with the landowner. One year the landowner said sorry boys he was letting someone else hunt there this year. Fair enough it is his land, we still had permission on two nearby parcels. There was an outfitter on that piece of land the next two years. Never had any run ins but it's hard to believe that the outfitter wasn't paying the landowner.

Haven't been back in several years to the area. It was in a place where CWD culls pretty much ruined the deer populations.

Not crown land but sometimes outfitters can be shady. If I had one try and run me off crown land they would get a "phuck off" and not much more.
 
grit said:
any one have issues while hunting on crown land where an outfitter has a concession?
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yes
seems we are hearing more and more issues in the Yukon over the last few years about such things.
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I am not in the Yukon but I can imagine it is worse the further north you go from BC
As well as air charters not wanting to drop local hunters off at certain lakes as perhaps a an agreement was made with outfitters in certain areas. northern Canada hunting sure has become big business
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make sure you hire a better pilot next time, after all you are paying him to take you where you want to go, make sure he understands that.
 
Around here, the air charter companies generally won't fly you into a smaller lake where they know someone else is hunting at the same time, be it outfitter or other resident hunters. It's just common courtesy and proper etiquette in the north. Most hunters would want to avoid such places anyhow.

Also, a lot of the northern lakes here have fairly large lodges on them and air charters won't fly you there unless they have permission from the owner as they are often unoccupied during the late fall hunting seasons and owners do have trouble with unauthorized use, though that's mainly in the winter time with guys coming in on snowmobiles.

There is plenty of room on crown land if everyone uses common sense and courtesy.
 
Brian46 said:
yes I am not in the Yukon but I can imagine it is worse the further north you go from BC make sure you hire a better pilot next time, after all you are paying him to take you where you want to go, make sure he understands that.
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Brian,

if we follow what you say there is only one chater company that fly you there. the other ones not. all yukon is didived in GO territory ...
 
bearkilr said:
Around here, the air charter companies generally won't fly you into a smaller lake where they know someone else is hunting at the same time, be it outfitter or other resident hunters. It's just common courtesy and proper etiquette in the north. Most hunters would want to avoid such places anyhow.

Also, a lot of the northern lakes here have fairly large lodges on them and air charters won't fly you there unless they have permission from the owner as they are often unoccupied during the late fall hunting seasons and owners do have trouble with unauthorized use, though that's mainly in the winter time with guys coming in on snowmobiles.

There is plenty of room on crown land if everyone uses common sense and courtesy.
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Courtesy i absolutely agree but crown land is divided into GO territories with no exclusive rights and if you ask to go in one place let is say where all the mountain record caribou has been taken and you know that caribous are there if the GO is not there i even can t go .... no way i will go if another guys are going and the pilot will tell but not going in one place even with nobody just because the GO dont want you there that is a different story.

in Yukon again there is no exclusive rights and GO got the same quotas as locals.

i want to see the courtesy from both sides ... money shouldnt talk on that matter.

Phil
 
medvedqc said:
Courtesy i absolutely agree but crown land is divided into GO territories with no exclusive rights and if you ask to go in one place let is say where all the mountain record caribou has been taken and you know that caribous are there if the GO is not there i even can t go .... no way i will go if another guys are going and the pilot will tell but not going in one place even with nobody just because the GO dont want you there that is a different story.

in Yukon again there is no exclusive rights and GO got the same quotas as locals.

i want to see the courtesy from both sides ... money shouldnt talk on that matter.

Phil
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Why can't you go into that area if no one else is there? It's not a problem in MB. Allocated outfitter areas only mean another outfitter can't take hunters there, but you're good to go as a resident.
If the air charter company refuses to fly you there, then your issue should be with them, no? I'd find someone that's willing to take you. Surely you have more floatplane charters in the Yukon than we do here.
 
Hello,

you didnt read what we said.

there is only one floatplane charter company in the Yukon that will fly you where you want the other ones will fly only for outfitters ...

i cant develop the name but he is not close to whitehorse.

Yukon is the same size as Manitoba and only 35000 habitants at max so dont see more charter companies than in MB plus the access is hard.

anyway i understand where Grit is coming as we had the same issues in different places and trust me we are going where there is nobody but the outfitters are still around lol ...
 
medvedqc said:
Hello,

you didnt read what we said.

there is only one floatplane charter company in the Yukon that will fly you where you want the other ones will fly only for outfitters ...

i cant develop the name but he is not close to whitehorse.

Yukon is the same size as Manitoba and only 35000 habitants at max so dont see more charter companies than in MB plus the access is hard.

anyway i understand where Grit is coming as we had the same issues in different places and trust me we are going where there is nobody but the outfitters are still around lol ...
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I would say your problem is with the float plane charter company. Evidently they don't need the additional business from resident hunters, which is unfortunate, but it's a free world. Here it's not really an issue, as residents rarely fork out the money required for a long float plane trip. To go 100 miles off the beaten path, you're looking at about $6000 for a Turbo Otter, in and out.
Our northern 2/3 of the province is much like the Yukon and there's only one charter company now. While our total population is around 1.3 million, well over 1 million of those people live within 60 miles of the US border and it's flat ass farmland with no need for float planes.
 
well again as i said the ouftitters are buying block hours even if not used the problem has nothing to do with free world or any economy 101. there is no need to go 100 miles.

well if removed mountains maybe yukon and manitoba are the same lol ...

even if i want to charter a plane i wont be able so free world is not working there.

i was even questionned by an outfitter in one place because i had a gun and binoculars and they made all the noise possible to avoid us to get bears ... it happens with 2 different outfitters in different places.

have you heard about the outfitter that use on the canol road is supercub to push away caribous from hunters?

stopping me to go where i want to go is very close to stopping someone from hunting because an outfitter paid or said no as nothing to do with free world ...
 
It's their plane so what they choose to do with it is their business.
Unless you're suggesting that the government step in and regulate who they can and cannot transport? This isn't China, but we're inching closer with more regulations all the time.
 
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