confrontations with outfitters while hunting on crown land?

I only ever had one confrontation with one and I was grouse hunting!! Apparently he had a bear bait 100 yards or so off the grown over logging trail I was walking. Yelling at me accusing me of hunting over his baits? We had ourselves a little chat and wasn't long before he was backpedaling and saying it was a case of mistaken identity. Moron!

I had some "aquaintances" who had an issue with a fellow who decided to go outfitting and trying to pull their waterfowling fields out from under them and when he managed to get them cut off from a few farms they had hunted for many years they took matters in their own hands and burned his decoy trailer and truck to the ground. That ended his outfitting right there.
 
the spank said:
I had some "aquaintances" who had an issue with a fellow who decided to go outfitting and trying to pull their waterfowling fields out from under them and when he managed to get them cut off from a few farms they had hunted for many years they took matters in their own hands and burned his decoy trailer and truck to the ground. That ended his outfitting right there.
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this just shows the stupidity of some people, rather than take it out on the person using legal means to re secure their hunting rights with the landowners offering something better than the outfitter they turn themselves into criminals doing property crime to one up someone.

Typical of what happens in small communities where everyone knows exactly who did what regardless of any real evidence. Sad bunch of people.
 
medvedqc said:
Brian,

if we follow what you say there is only one chater company that fly you there. the other ones not. all yukon is didived in GO territory ...
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so private operators of private planes can not fly wherever they want provided they file a flight plan? news to me.

I should explain this to my pilot friends since they clearly have been doing it wrong.
 
Reading this I'm just thankful for where I hunt, I was under the impression Canada is enormous and you can always find a spot to yourself. Seems there are a lot more people than I thought, and a lot less land! ;) We have it good in Canada, and those outfitters are the strongest argument we have going for our sport. It's harder to shut down an industy than to simply not issue tags to residents. All sorts of sides to every argument. I've flown hunters outside BC, and no, I would not drop folks at a site an outfitter is using. Poor etiquette, and there are always other places. Often, the operators and pilots have a friendly working relationship seeing as they are repeat clients over years, and refusing requests to be drop folks at their locations isn't done because of some sort of pact or contract, it's simply what's proper. If you were the pilot you wouldn't drop some folks you don't know from a hole in the ground on your friend's hunting spot they've been using for years. People love to go after the "Man" and unfortunately outfitters are being seen as "him".
 
Etiquette seems to be something lacking these days, some guys figure if something is legal then it is their right to do it. Notice most issues are over easy access spots. I've run into guides and their hunters more than once, the guides have always been super friendly, the hunters always seem to have long faces, but they keep their mouths shut, I assume because they've rode a horse in while I've walked.
 
there are good and bad outfitters just like anyone else.

My partner and I got along fine with the original fella who had the outfitting rights in part our hunting area. We shared the area and had our own sites that didn't interfere with each others. When we happened upon him we always had civil conversations and shared information.

The new guys that came in were lazy and unethical. Spraying our baits and throwing in close by to attract the bears we had already worked hard to draw. Our bait sites were well established, 2 of them decades old handed down to us. Instead of doing their own work they just leached off of ours.

They were gone the next season and the bears were back...go figure.
 
always 2 sides of a story. There are a couple cases where locals have been hunting at certain lakes for years and outfitter started using the lake, now pilot very reluctant to drop local residents on the lake.
Or locals being at a lake and having outfitter on same lake and going to locals camp and getting pissed off that local is there. I'm sure these issues have always been there but might become more frequent as its now big business
 
Not sure about you guys but I've seen a lot more waste, arsehattery, and conflict with regular fellow hunters than outfitters. Generally, at least in this part of the world, outfitters are professional. Now the quad riding, beer can clowns who run a generator in camp... steal gear... think a campfire sounds better with ACDC... brand new WSM he's still carrying most of the first box of ammo for... that I'll get on the negative team over.
 
Ardent said:
Not sure about you guys but I've seen a lot more waste, arsehattery, and conflict with regular fellow hunters than outfitters. Generally, at least in this part of the world, outfitters are professional. Now the quad riding, beer can clowns who run a generator in camp... steal gear... think a campfire sounds better with ACDC... brand new WSM he's still carrying most of the first box of ammo for... that I'll get on the negative team over.
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Yep, its getting a little tiring watching the firearms owners in this great country, and on this forum, fracture into self interest groups.

Groups that hate SKS's, AR-15, black guns, NFA, CSSA, fudds, Ontario, Quebec, "the west", Libtards, CPC, "hunting over baits is for lazy losers and unethical".

Now we add "I hate outfitters".

There are also a huge number of entrenched anti firearms trolls on here.

If the intent is to fracture the firearms community into narrow minded self interest groups, congratulations', its working.
 
Ardent said:
Often, the operators and pilots have a friendly working relationship seeing as they are repeat clients over years, and refusing requests to be drop folks at their locations isn't done because of some sort of pact or contract, it's simply what's proper. If you were the pilot you wouldn't drop some folks you don't know from a hole in the ground on your friend's hunting spot they've been using for years. People love to go after the "Man" and unfortunately outfitters are being seen as "him".
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how is the pilot to know who has hunted where and for how many generations when he gets a call to take someone to a certain area? Pilots retire and move so you cant count on having the same pilot in your area your whole life. I have had lease holders and guides try and push me off of crown land after decades of hunting that same area all because of something trivial. They didn't recognize my vehicle.
 
Bonemaker said:
Yep, its getting a little tiring watching the firearms owners in this great country, and on this forum, fracture into self interest groups.

Groups that hate SKS's, AR-15, black guns, NFA, CSSA, fudds, Ontario, Quebec, "the west", Libtards, CPC, "hunting over baits is for lazy losers and unethical".

Now we add "I hate outfitters".

There are also a huge number of entrenched anti firearms trolls on here.

If the intent is to fracture the firearms community into narrow minded self interest groups, congratulations', its working.
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reporting issue is making us the bad guys ... lol nothing to do with firearms but if in your corner you can hunt the way you want great but we are just talking about what is happening nothing against a gun owner ....

your signature is wrong for sure.
 
Bonemaker said:
Yep, its getting a little tiring watching the firearms owners in this great country, and on this forum, fracture into self interest groups.

Groups that hate SKS's, AR-15, black guns, NFA, CSSA, fudds, Ontario, Quebec, "the west", Libtards, CPC, "hunting over baits is for lazy losers and unethical".

Now we add "I hate outfitters".

There are also a huge number of entrenched anti firearms trolls on here.

If the intent is to fracture the firearms community into narrow minded self interest groups, congratulations', its working.
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I find a problem with some making money off "our" resources. And then "our" resources going to a non-resident.
No reason for "our" resources going to non-residents when we have to wait 3- 30 years to obtain.
 
guido said:
I find a problem with some making money off "our" resources. And then "our" resources going to a non-resident.
No reason for "our" resources going to non-residents when we have to wait 3- 30 years to obtain.
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I have no issue with guides that do things the right way, but those that make back door deals with "donations" to government officials for extra tags that are taken away from the few available to residents is the key issue above what I have already experienced and posted about.
 
I bear hunt in an area where there are several local outfitters. By accident I set up a bait within 100 yards of the outfitters bait. Didn't realize until after. Got some pics of a nice bear on camera so I went to talk with the outfitter. He was great and said first off I can't stop you. I can't even stop you from using my bait site. He didn't have any clients in as I hunt late September. He even showed me pics of small bears on his bait. I try to avoid their areas by at least a mile if I can. Never had any bad issues
 
A buddy and I hunt a good waterfowl spot that he knows the landowner well. We only hunt there towards the end of the season as it's a good fly zone. Outfitters hunt around this area like crazy we only have permission to hunt his 75 acres but outfitters hunt the adjoining farms. This season the land owner lost his sh*t as he had pellets raining onto his shed and pond from the adjoining farm on the left While he was doing yard work. He confronted them and they told him to piss off. likely because he wouldn't let them hunt his farm.

One day we got up there and set up way before sun rise. We sat there and saw the outfitter set up on both fields 40 minutes later. We thought great we won't get #### as our spread was 25 geese decoys compared to their 200.

Sun rise broke and they got a few off the at the start but then the geese started coming into our spread. Limited out in about 45 minutes. Packed up and walked out and the guy confronted us cursing us out.

Make a short story quick our land owner went next door and complained about them raining shot on his property. The outfitter lost all farms on that road.

I'm sure we could have snatched up the properties but we don't hunt around there much so why bother.
 
Brian46 said:
I have no issue with guides that do things the right way, but those that make back door deals with "donations" to government officials for extra tags that are taken away from the few available to residents is the key issue above what I have already experienced and posted about.
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Give me some examples, same for places you've been denied flights into. There is a lot of heresay here, and so far, near nil facts.
 
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