confrontations with outfitters while hunting on crown land?
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I don't have to wait 3-30 years to get those resources.
I think you have me mixed up with the OP as I never stated I had issues with a pilot refusing to fly me where I want to go.
I have however had issues with outfitters and lease owners in non fly in areas. If you are from the BC north you should know of the Foley family (loggers) and some of the crooked stuff they pulled over the years, the old man even took the wrap for all his kids thinking they would not throw a senior in jail but they did.
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I do believe those fellows (if we're talking the 90's in central BC) are a long ways south of what I consider the north, I'm at 58 degrees here and that's still not that far up, but we're getting way off topic and pretty damn well unrelated to outfitters and plane rides. 
My concern is this is the angry mob mentality. They don't really know what they're mad at, they're taking everything at face value that's said, and nobody can mention a name of an outfitter or pilot in particular (wingshooting and black bear stuff aside).
Fact is most here will have more troubles with their fellow resident hunters, let alone anti-hunters and the press, yet we'll canabalize our own within the sport and and only strange misshapen messages come out the other side of threads like this. It's a rumour mill, and as accurate as a good old fashioned 19th century witch hunt.
My concern is this is the angry mob mentality. They don't really know what they're mad at, they're taking everything at face value that's said, and nobody can mention a name of an outfitter or pilot in particular (wingshooting and black bear stuff aside).
Fact is most here will have more troubles with their fellow resident hunters, let alone anti-hunters and the press, yet we'll canabalize our own within the sport and and only strange misshapen messages come out the other side of threads like this. It's a rumour mill, and as accurate as a good old fashioned 19th century witch hunt.
the foleys are still alive and are still at it. They have had broken equipment sitting on timber leases for years with roads blocked and sinage stating active logging (thousands of acres around their families farms). My Last interaction I had was with "outfitters" who claim to have taken over the crown land in question and in a round about way told me what happened to the last hunters that came around the lease. This is all recent and I have hunted that land for decades.I do believe those fellows (if we're talking the 90's in central BC) are a long ways south of what I consider the north, I'm at 58 degrees here and that's still not that far up, but we're getting way off topic and pretty damn well unrelated to outfitters and plane rides.
My concern is this is the angry mob mentality. They don't really know what they're mad at, they're taking everything at face value that's said, and nobody can mention a name of an outfitter or pilot in particular (wingshooting and black bear stuff aside).
Fact is most here will have more troubles with their fellow resident hunters, let alone anti-hunters and the press, yet we'll canabalize our own within the sport and and only strange misshapen messages come out the other side of threads like this. It's a rumour mill, and as accurate as a good old fashioned 19th century witch hunt.
I even remember seeing the land listed for sale along with all the leased land listed as a great opertunity for a guided hunting operation prior to my latest interaction. The land never sold though as I still see all the same people on the farms
So yes, I agree it is unrelated to the topic..........
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I duck hunt in North Central Saskatchewan. The outfitters field shoot, and I hunt over water with my Tollers. I've never had an issue with them. I've run into them a couple of times when they are scouting fields, all were pretty good fellas. I always tell them where I'll be at, and we never hunt near each other. Now, my problem this last season was the pair of hunters who lied about asking permission and were setting up 300 to 400 yards away from me. They had a untrained young lab, no decoys, and no waders. So any duck or goose shot that crashed in the water wasn't retrieved. But a positive was their sky busting didn't bring many birds.
I offered to have them hunt with me, as they looked totally clueless. But they never did join me, preferring to hunt by themselves.
I offered to have them hunt with me, as they looked totally clueless. But they never did join me, preferring to hunt by themselves.
For the most part, I have had good interaction with the outfitters and guides in the areas I hunt.
Many, many years ago, myself and 2 other hunters were camped in an old, abandoned logging camp, and hunting out of there.
A local guide told us to move elsewhere, since he had clients and a camp about a mile away.
We basically told him to pound sand, and went about our hunting....we shot two moose the next AM.
We wanted another moose, but could not take 3 out at one time in the boat, so we hauled the moose 12 miles down the lake to hang them.
When we returned, our camp had been burned out. [fortunately, we had not left rifles or other real valuables there]
No way to prove it, but we heard through the grapevine several weeks later that it had been the guide who torched our camp.
Heard some other stories about this guide, none too complimentary.
Very rare incident, I'm thinking. This happened several decades ago.
Regards, Dave.
Many, many years ago, myself and 2 other hunters were camped in an old, abandoned logging camp, and hunting out of there.
A local guide told us to move elsewhere, since he had clients and a camp about a mile away.
We basically told him to pound sand, and went about our hunting....we shot two moose the next AM.
We wanted another moose, but could not take 3 out at one time in the boat, so we hauled the moose 12 miles down the lake to hang them.
When we returned, our camp had been burned out. [fortunately, we had not left rifles or other real valuables there]
No way to prove it, but we heard through the grapevine several weeks later that it had been the guide who torched our camp.
Heard some other stories about this guide, none too complimentary.
Very rare incident, I'm thinking. This happened several decades ago.
Regards, Dave.
I do believe those fellows (if we're talking the 90's in central BC) are a long ways south of what I consider the north, I'm at 58 degrees here and that's still not that far up, but we're getting way off topic and pretty damn well unrelated to outfitters and plane rides.
My concern is this is the angry mob mentality. They don't really know what they're mad at, they're taking everything at face value that's said, and nobody can mention a name of an outfitter or pilot in particular (wingshooting and black bear stuff aside).
Fact is most here will have more troubles with their fellow resident hunters, let alone anti-hunters and the press, yet we'll canabalize our own within the sport and and only strange misshapen messages come out the other side of threads like this. It's a rumour mill, and as accurate as a good old fashioned 19th century witch hunt.
Angus,
not name calling here is not meaning those outfitters and charters operators has not been reported.
there is some problems over here and has to be fixed.
was wondering why we saw more GOs in court those days?
if some one is doing the wrong way they should be not part of us.
Phil
I do believe those fellows (if we're talking the 90's in central BC) are a long ways south of what I consider the north, I'm at 58 degrees here and that's still not that far up, but we're getting way off topic and pretty damn well unrelated to outfitters and plane rides.
My concern is this is the angry mob mentality. They don't really know what they're mad at, they're taking everything at face value that's said, and nobody can mention a name of an outfitter or pilot in particular (wingshooting and black bear stuff aside).
Fact is most here will have more troubles with their fellow resident hunters, let alone anti-hunters and the press, yet we'll canabalize our own within the sport and and only strange misshapen messages come out the other side of threads like this. It's a rumour mill, and as accurate as a good old fashioned 19th century witch hunt.
I agree with the message you are trying to get across but what I don't agree with is the "canabilizing our own within the sport" comment.
in BC the guide outfitters have set themselves apart from "us" and "we" owe them no favours or considerations as they would take from us and further undermine the resident hunter's ability to access areas and animals. THIS is fact and perhaps the reason that many folks are very willing and ready to throw the outfitter industry under the proverbial bus.
and before someone comes at me with the "shut up yer a treaty indian" comment and it doesn't affect you..... I'm a status metis, not a treaty indian and up until only very recently, had to buy tags and hold a resident hunter card just like every other resident hunter.
You are very wrong there my friend..........Transport Canada do most certainly consider buying fuel to be remuneration for service and is forbidden without an OC.
I think most folks who own firearms are capable of independent thought. I can form an opinion on those who enjoy a benefit from commercialized business proceeds and how they interact with residents over a public owned wildlife resource - and it has nothing to do with my opinion on firearms.
Non-Sequitur?
Not sure what you are saying Norskie, but there is no intent to criticize independent thought.
What I was trying to point out was all the "internal" factions of dissent within the firearms community that exist are likely being exploited by the anti firearms trolls that monitor this forum to collect info they can use to further their cause. Using dissention in the ranks is a basic sabotage technique going back to the beginning of time.
Social media is interesting - some times the interpretation of what was written is not what was intended. Convenience now dictates that actual conversations are becoming a thing of the past...........
WE have to try and curb our internal differences and be united on dealing with "illegal acts". That is what our numerous associations are suppose to do for us as well.
Other than that, I have no idea what other solutions there are.
By the way, I spent a couple of decades in BC with many fall hunts via horse back, float plane, or on foot into some of the most spectacular country there is. Really miss it. There were a few confrontations with hunting guides BUT there were some good visits on the trail and around camp fires as well.
What do you suggest for solutions??
the solution is enforcement, which there is next to none of. It is clear to me that the bad ones are not willing to follow the rules that were made for everyone unless they are forced to.
Fighting with each other over the internet doesn't work and neither does minimizing someones problems they have had with guides, outfitters, landowners, etc by doing exactly what some have done in this thread. You don't care about keeping hunting available to your future generations if you minimize problems people have had or are willing to turn a blind eye on people who commit infractions against the wildlife act.
I think you nailed it. How many time have you witnessed infractions of wildlife/hunting/firearms law that have either been dropped or ignored by CO's and LEO's?
Might be a perfect topic for a new thread - or it may degenerate into bashing CO's and LEO's.
One of my favorite topics is race based law enforcement in the Country.
there is not much for them to enforce when you call on a Friday and they do not show up till the Friday after next. I just happened to be back in the area when I was called but the poached animal and any evidence was long gone by then. He even had some comments to the effect of "wasting his time"
It is like anything else, there is good experiences and bad, the bad always stick out and as I get older there seems to be more and more bad than there ever was while I was growing up hunting with my parents. You could leave camp without having things stolen, even leave keys in the ignition in case of an emergency. Now if everything is not locked up, alarmed or watched over, you are in for a surprise, even at fly in camps.
