confrontations with outfitters while hunting on crown land?

medvedqc said:
you cant charter a plane from your buddy and pays him ...

private planes can do whatever they want but not flying paid people.

Phil
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Sorry Phil, this is only 50% correct. I am a licensed pilot (PPL) and am able to take anyone's money for a flight so long as they pay me no more than the cost of running the aircraft, and them coming along for the flight is incidental - IE I'm going regardless of weather or not they will be coming with me.

If I'm flying Monday and that flight is going to cost me $300, then I can charge that person up to $300 for the flight.
If that person decides they want to go on Monday but I'm scheduled to go on Wednesday, I cannot charge them if I decide to go on Monday.

The terminology for charging is "Costs that are incidental to the flight". So long as its my schedule as the pilot thats being adheard to, and not the passengers schedule. If its the passengers schedule, then its considered a commercial scheduled flight and I cannot accept any money for it.
 
sapper6fd said:
Sorry Phil, this is only 50% correct. I am a licensed pilot (PPL) and am able to take anyone's money for a flight so long as they pay me no more than the cost of running the aircraft, and them coming along for the flight is incidental - IE I'm going regardless of weather or not they will be coming with me.

If I'm flying Monday and that flight is going to cost me $300, then I can charge that person up to $300 for the flight.
If that person decides they want to go on Monday but I'm scheduled to go on Wednesday, I cannot charge them if I decide to go on Monday.

The terminology for charging is "Costs that are incidental to the flight". So long as its my schedule as the pilot thats being adheard to, and not the passengers schedule. If its the passengers schedule, then its considered a commercial scheduled flight and I cannot accept any money for it.
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so to sum up you will put in your flight plan that your passengers are paying the cost on your decided time?

anyway i have no dog in the fight about who is doing what and the way is done.

the discussion is about outfitters and inter-actions with resident hunters.
 
I don't know why some people post the wrong information, If the charter you hired is telling you it is illegal because he wants your money by securing you to his plane for years to come that is his business but no need to regurgitate his nonsense here as law.
 
brian46,

you are a good guy and you do not understand or are not to that is your problem.

access of the wilderness is getting harder if you dont own a plane.

outfitters cant tell to a charter operator where they can or not operate end of the story.
 
medvedqc said:
brian46,

you are a good guy and you do not understand or are not to that is your problem.

access of the wilderness is getting harder if you dont own a plane.

outfitters cant tell to a charter operator where they can or not operate end of the story.
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Unless the rules have recently changed completely, your post is not correct.
Transport Canada issues the charters. There will be nothing in their charter to say a big game outfitter can tell you where to fly!
In fact, one of the stipulations in the charter is the opposite. The charter is given out to serve the people. All the people, and the charter operator must do that. If an individual was refused a flight to hunt in the area where an outfitter has a commercial hunting lease, the individual has only to make a formal complaint to Transport Canada and the charter operator could lose his charter.
 
I was hunting an area and asked the Landowner for tips on good spots, and he stated he legally cannot tell me as that is considered guiding... now so far as I know it is not guiding to suggest a few good spots
 
surplusshooter said:
I was hunting an area and asked the Landowner for tips on good spots, and he stated he legally cannot tell me as that is considered guiding... now so far as I know it is not guiding to suggest a few good spots
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he really was telling you he doesn't want you around his hunting area. Learning to read between the line is an aquired skill of dealing with people when your are out hunting.
 
bearkilr said:
Ultimately it's the charter operator's decision, that's the point you're missing.
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lol depending who is buying the hours this is the economy point that we brought up ... they re (GOs) buying hours even if not used and asked gently lol the charter operators to not fly the residents hunters in some areas ... despite them willing to pay.

but again guys seems you are more clever and nothing like that is happening in your province. lol no GOs getting more tags more lands ...

i think Grit tried to bring a disccusion and a point and you dont see it. nothing new anyway from you.

wish you the best. and i know why ignore was invented now.
 
H4831 said:
Unless the rules have recently changed completely, your post is not correct.
Transport Canada issues the charters. There will be nothing in their charter to say a big game outfitter can tell you where to fly!
In fact, one of the stipulations in the charter is the opposite. The charter is given out to serve the people. All the people, and the charter operator must do that. If an individual was refused a flight to hunt in the area where an outfitter has a commercial hunting lease, the individual has only to make a formal complaint to Transport Canada and the charter operator could lose his charter.
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you are right and who said that TC is not investigating?

that is the problem some of us met with fly out or for different side on the ground.

but definetely you are right on the charter side and this is a big issue.
 
medvedqc said:
lol depending who is buying the hours this is the economy point that we brought up ... they re (GOs) buying hours even if not used and asked gently lol the charter operators to not fly the residents hunters in some areas ... despite them willing to pay.
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Do you honestly believe that?!?!? You evidently have no idea what the overhead is to operate an air taxi service or an outfitting business. Do you really think outfitters can afford to pay tens of thousands of dollars to an air charter so their planes stay docked? And even more ludicrous, do you think an air charter would agree to that?

Also, there's no such thing as "hours", they charge by the mile, both ways. Helicopters charters often charge by the hour, and yes, government agencies will buy hours, but that's generally because the company will require a minimum amount of hours/day to keep their chopper in that location, especially in situations like forest fires. Ardent surely knows the intricate details on this.
As an example, a Turbo Otter can bring in over $10,000/day in gross revenue. These planes need to be flying or the company is finished. I know guys that run a pretty large operation and they will happily fly anyone who wants to pay.

It's difficult to have a discussion with people who have tunnel vision and who's mind is made up beforehand on a subject. The world revolves around economics, if you haven't noticed. Air Taxi's are no different than other companies, they'll cater to the people providing them with the most business. If you think that needs to be regulated, perhaps try North Korea as your next homestead. Judging by your CGN name, the politics should be right up your alley. :cheers:
 
medvedqc said:
lol depending who is buying the hours this is the economy point that we brought up ... they re (GOs) buying hours even if not used and asked gently lol the charter operators to not fly the residents hunters in some areas ... despite them willing to pay.
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If the guides or outfitters are booking all the flight time a charter has and paying for it even if they do not use it, contact transport Canada and explain to them another charter needs to be allowed to fly in the area since the current one is unable to provide adequate service for that area.

I would also suggest you get a recording of the charter refusing to fly you in his given area, it makes the investigation and replacement of that charter by TC very quick
 
bearkilr,

you are good guy but not that much intelligent. sometimes you do not know what is going on, on a place you re not, do you ?

do you know about 701 and 702? i know a little about airline operations lol ...
and we had an outfitting business for 3 years lol ... and successful.

over here the charge is not on mileage but hour my last bill was that way lol ...
but your experence is different does it mean it is me that have the tunel vision ...

my handle here has nothing to do with qc the way you want it lol ... have you heard about quality check lol ...

for where i ll go or not that is not your business. i enjoyed and still enjoying my time in Canada not that much yourself for sure but i didnt yet asked your removal from here lol .....

enjoy your day.

ps: your handle is strange because medved means bear, are you trying to kill me lol ......
 
Brian46 said:
If the guides or outfitters are booking all the flight time a charter has and paying for it even if they do not use it, contact transport Canada and explain to them another charter needs to be allowed to fly in the area since the current one is unable to provide adequate service for that area.

I would also suggest you get a recording of the charter refusing to fly you in his given area, it makes the investigation and replacement of that charter by TC very quick
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it is obvious that some reports has been made and TC is taking care of that.
 
medvedqc said:
my handle here has nothing to do with qc the way you want it lol ... have you heard about quality check lol ...

for where i ll go or not that is not your business. i enjoyed and still enjoying my time in Canada not that much yourself for sure but i didnt yet asked your removal from here lol .....

enjoy your day.

ps: your handle is strange because medved means bear, are you trying to kill me lol ......
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Wasn't referring to "QC", but rather "medved", which is Russian, no?
Get it now? ;)
 
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