Cost of .223 holding me back from an AR
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That might be comparing apples to oranges as one is a conventional rifle and the other is a bullpup ( but you knew that already!) . My buddy shoots a WW x39 during practice and shoots his DD .223 with a Geisselle trigger in matches. He can't believe the difference!
Mwahahaha !
Meh, All Center Fire Rifle Ammo is at least $0.30+ cents a shot unless your reloading with lead or bought your gear at yesterdays prices. With reloads your likely at $0.15 to $0.35 minimum with homemade lead and more for rifle rounds.
.22LR is cheaper maybe shoot that...
Jonesyatpl
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This..
By the time you finish reloading, your bank account will have recovered. Meaning it takes longer to reload the cases than driving to the store for some bulk ammo. You get match grade ammo for cheaper than white box. Brass scrounging and prep also makes you think twice about mag dumps. So your rate of fire goes down. Once you get in the groove of reloading, you'll flinch less, not being as worried about the cost per shot
The M&P is a great rifle, I highly recommend it as a first ar
OP just do what I did and go get yourself a freedom bucket or two of the 223 and save the brass as you shoot the ammo
Afterwards just reload using your saved brass it's really not that cost prohibitive.
OP just do what I did and go get yourself a freedom bucket or two of the 223 and save the brass as you shoot the ammo
Afterwards just reload using your saved brass it's really not that cost prohibitive.
Gone or stacked deep
You can never shoot 7.62X39 as fast and as accurate as 223. If money is an issue, you may head straight to a 9mm carbine. Ammo is a bit cheaper, but if you reload straight wall pistol rounds are much more efficient than rifle rounds. Case prep is easy and on the most basic rotating press you can churn out 200 rounds an hour.
Reloading rifle en-mass is not a worth while exercise if you shoot 200 rounds a session. Too much time needs to go into case prep, unless you have a semi-industrial reloading setup.
Reloading rifle en-mass is not a worth while exercise if you shoot 200 rounds a session. Too much time needs to go into case prep, unless you have a semi-industrial reloading setup.
For all those who are recommending some variation of "Just get some steel cased surplus and have at it.", keep in mind that shooting steel cased ammo at some ranges (and of course an AR15 can only be shot at a range) will cost you your membership right there on the spot with no chance to even say "But I thought ...".
Steel case != Steel core
Steel core is a big no no, but I haven't seen a range give a crappy about steel cases. I don't understand why they would care about the case, and if they did, just pick them up and they'll never know.
Anyone run the CMMG uppers in their ARs? Particularly the M&P 15
Pending on the following I may be intised to buy a M&P15 when they are back in stock.
Curious on:
-reliability of CMMG
-accuracy
-any problems with damaging your .223 barrel shooting a .22LR in volume
If you got range report pics post them up!
Doug
Pending on the following I may be intised to buy a M&P15 when they are back in stock.
Curious on:
-reliability of CMMG
-accuracy
-any problems with damaging your .223 barrel shooting a .22LR in volume
If you got range report pics post them up!
Doug
I think 22 bullets are slightly smaller then 223 bullets, so you won't get peak accuracy, and won't the lead slowly be buildup and be a concern if you shoot 22 in any volume?
You're right about the bullets from a .22LR being slightly smaller than a .223. The 22LR nominal diameter is .221".
Lead buildup can be an issue, but only if you a) shoot lead bullets exclusively (not copper plated ones) and b) don't clean the rifle after use.
Buy the M&P, do it now, do not wait, they are fantastic. Deals on ammo come up all the time, just watch for it. Buy the CMMG conversion kit and you can shoot .22 all day long. That's what I did , so you should do it too.
^^this^^
OP seems most interested in shooting as cheap as possible, so I am anticipating moistly 22 ammo, and of the cheapest lead variety based on his comments
Araz Frostcrusher
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I own the NEA in 7.62x39 and M and P in 22 and .223 and I must say that they are all awesome to shoot, obviously the .223 gets the fantastic results for accuracy, but the 7.62x39 is great to blast away with. Only issue I have found with the x39 is you have to spend extra time cleaning your bolt carrier group and barrel with hot water if your shooting surplus because rust, I have found some slight rust on the BCG due to not great cleaning regimen in the beginning and get reliebale magazines and it should feed fine...I'm up to about 800 RDS through my AR. Make sure it's a Gen 2 or 3 as well.
With all that said, the 699$ for an American AR is unbeatable right now.
With all that said, the 699$ for an American AR is unbeatable right now.
