Could a gunsmith explain something to me please?

Hmmm, that's a good observation. I looked and the rib does look beveled, the firing pin is right in the middle of this rib. I have a good 30-35 rounds that fired, on different occasions, that have 0 trace of this indent. It definitely looks like that's where the damage is coming from.

If I were to file it down a little more, do you think this would void the warranty for modification of the firing mechanism? I don't feel too comfortable performing the filing in the event it is too beveled and no longer feeds...

What I don't understand is that CCI round with the light strike was only chambered once and those marks should be on each side of the strike area unless the round rotates as it enters?

Everyone here is awesome! I can't thank all of you enough for the insight and troubleshooting!
 
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The rounds don't rotate when loaded, maybe wait and see what mossberg says about it if you don't feel comfortable filing or polishing stuff, if it has a bevel and doesn't feel sharp on the edges might not be the issue, was just something I've seen in the past cause problems. Ive also seen too much magazine spring tension cause issues along with not enough, or a mag follower that hangs up, do you have more than on mag? Does it do it with all mags? have you tried just loading 5 rounds and seeing if it shoots those 5 problem free?

Sometimes the mag will hold the bolt up a bit so it doesn't close fully each time.
 
I do think I will hold off on the filing, yes unfortunately I have tried 3 different magazines. 1 stock full profile magazine and 2 of the awkward 10 round mags.

Funny you mention trying only 5 at a time as I have numerous times. Same issue, even putting them in 1 at a time by hand I will still get a failure to fire. So odd... Initially I thought perhaps a magazine issue but I think that can be ruled out now.

I will keep everyone updated!
 
Dusty514:

With the further info about the already fired amount of ammo and the photos I'm going to side with the voices calling for the gun to go back to the factory, or at least giving the other service center a shot at it. No pun intended.

I'm sure it is a pain in the arse shipping the rifle across international borders, but that is what comes with the territory.
 
I'd include some of those marked up brass when you send the rifle back.

To me, that firing pin indent looks awfully square.
I wonder if filing the end to a more sharper point would cure this FTF issue?
 
Sometimes a rim fire misfire needs the firing pin to be longer, sometimes the tip 'sharper'. I have on occasion welded on both ends of a pin. However if you expect warranty it is best to pursue that avenue first before altering anything.
 
Wortners turn around is not fast. Their work is solid though. George does the vast majority of my gun smithing and I'm fortunate to live just around the corner from him. I highly recommend Wortners
 
Thanks everybody, I am still waiting to hear back from Mossberg.

I will hold off on any attempts to fix it myself lol. Yup, it sucks having to send it away with all the costs involved and the time I can't use it, it is my cheap fun!

Wortner did mention it'd be a while, said months... But if it'll be repaired properly, I don't mind!

Thanks again everyone!
 
I still think you should push mossberg to just spot you a new rifle. It'd earn them a lasting customer, hopefully they drop that guy that botched it as a service centre, and then you can report to all of us good things so we don't shy away in future......
 
Gunneegoogoo said:
I still think you should push mossberg to just spot you a new rifle. It'd earn them a lasting customer, hopefully they drop that guy that botched it as a service centre, and then you can report to all of us good things so we don't shy away in future......
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I think a replacement would be ideal. I don't think they would lose a lot on a 715T lol, it is a cheap firearm! You are right about retaining a customer. I really do hope they decide to go with someone else as a service center.

I do plan on keeping the community updated on the dilemma. It really hope no one has to go through what I have but I'm sure some have already.
 
Dusty514 said:
I think a replacement would be ideal. I don't think they would lose a lot on a 715T lol, it is a cheap firearm! You are right about retaining a customer. I really do hope they decide to go with someone else as a service center.

I do plan on keeping the community updated on the dilemma. It really hope no one has to go through what I have but I'm sure some have already.
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For sure.

Your good deed is warning us all on an experience - good or bad.
 
Gunneegoogoo said:
I still think you should push mossberg to just spot you a new rifle. It'd earn them a lasting customer, hopefully they drop that guy that botched it as a service centre, and then you can report to all of us good things so we don't shy away in future......
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Good luck with that.

I've had 2 new mossberg guns that have had major failures in the last couple of years and have gotten nowhere trying to get any help from them.

After emails and phone calls I bought replacement parts and repaired the guns my self.
 
Mossberg has been pretty solid with me and hearing me out. I am still waiting for an answer on my issue but it's Monday so I will give it a little more time.

It's frustrating to say the least, in the event it goes nowhere, I have something to attempt to fix on my own! Could be a learning experience. Gotta stay positive lol.

Out of pocket expenses are never good when a product is still under warranty. Really, it's unacceptable. I've worked in retail and I was also part of a master distributor for Canada, we took warranty issues extremely seriously. More often than not, we would simply replace the product with a new one, didn't matter if it was a $200 or $3000 product. Bottom line is you have to keep your customers happy in order to generate repeat business.
 
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I took some pictures of 2 rounds that did not fire, the first you can clearly see where the pin hit but did not hit hard enough.
The 2nd is the odd marks on the rim.

I don't know if this helps but I figured I would post some pictures.


Is it possible the marks are from the feed ramp? I looked at some that fired correctly and there are no deep marks like that on them...

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it almost looks like the firing pin is twisted ..... if it is , it might be binding when released and lacking sufficient momentum to fire the round off .

the other marks , from the extractor maybe ?
 
Your guess is as good as mine! It is beyond bizarre to me, it does look like it isn't straight but it is lined up correctly in the channel of the bolt assembly. There is no damage either on the firing pin, never dry fired either as I have done lots of reading on rim fires prior to buying one.

It just screams production failure to me, something didn't go as planned when they assembled this particular rifle. A lemon to say the least. Every time I've tried to shoot it, it has been so frustrating! If I could afford ammo for my ACR like I can a 22, it wouldn't be an issue lol. I absolutely love shooting firearms but I can only afford so much center fire. I've probably wasted 400-500 rounds of 22, if not more.

I have quite a bit of brass with zero marks on them like these I posted. I wish sales weren't final when buying from a big box store. As soon as I left the store, there was no turning back. Sometimes I wish we could fire the firearms prior to purchasing. The very first magazine failed on the 2nd round! Gosh, thinking about it sucks!
 
Where do you live (city is fine) Dusty?

Seems to me they may have been trying to resolve the issue by correcting a possible headspace problem, fair enough. The only reason I can think of for removing material from a bolt handle is to lighten the bolt assembly. If you were having misfeeds due to the bolt not moving back far enough, I guess that's a way to look at it...

The firing pin may not be twisted... look at the bolt face, is the firing pin slot right in the middle? I can't imagine how a firing pin would get twisted; it's going to be in a slot.

Do you know if the 715T has a firing pin return spring? I doubt it, but worth considering, and if it does just cut off a round or two off the spring to lower resistance. May be worth stoning the striking side of the firing pin, on the sides, to "sharpen" it (don't actually give it a knife edge, just thin it out a little). Hammer spring may be weak too... CCI mini mags are pretty easy to set off... when I've had guns that often have light strikes, mini mags are the one round that doesn't do it.
 
Hey all, sorry, had to move to the country by the Rockies.

price, no firing pin spring, I think it just uses motion. It does seem awfully straight, it strikes the bottom of the round. I did think maybe hammer spring and then I took the trigger assembly apart ( nightmare but gained experience and patience ) and damn it's tight.

Mossberg contacted Grech and I received an email from them today with the sole line, follow the warranty link... Are you kidding me? Like come on, no empathy, no please, no thank you, no we are sorry your firearm isn't working right. I honestly don't want to send it back to them again, on my dime.

Guys, I think I am going to try some of the advice I've received here and have a look at potentially disposing of it. I am just so frustrated. I'd be willing to bet I wouldn't see it for months on end should I send it in given Mossberg contacted them. Ugh...

I guess we can close this one boys, I'm gonna throw in the towel and save for a new plinkster.
 
Dusty514 said:
Mossberg has been pretty solid with me and hearing me out. I am still waiting for an answer on my issue but it's Monday so I will give it a little more time.

It's frustrating to say the least, in the event it goes nowhere, I have something to attempt to fix on my own! Could be a learning experience. Gotta stay positive lol.

Out of pocket expenses are never good when a product is still under warranty. Really, it's unacceptable. I've worked in retail and I was also part of a master distributor for Canada, we took warranty issues extremely seriously. More often than not, we would simply replace the product with a new one, didn't matter if it was a $200 or $3000 product. Bottom line is you have to keep your customers happy in order to generate repeat business.
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Mossberg USA is excellent, they sent me two 715t recoil Springs for free. All I had to do was ask about pricing and they just sent me two FedEx.
 
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