Could someone explain why...

Is it really volume buying power or is it because certain "distribitors" have a monopoly and can set what ever price they want? I certainly don't want to bash any retailers but it seems odd that "mom and pop" stores in the States, who I'm sure aren't big volume buyers, can have such low prices.
The retailers here have to make a living and I support them 100% but some of the discrepancies in prices are disheartening but I don't think it's their fault at all.
I've seen Sig 226 Blackwater editions for $900.00 in small US shops that only have 5 or 6 Sigs on display. These are not modified in any way for Canada but the prices here are $1500.00. I'm sure the "distributer" buys enough Sigs to get a better deal than "mom and pop" can.
Oh by the way there is no "duty" on US firearms and the distributers hold goods in Bond so they only pay duty when the goods are sold and released from Bond.
 
kxc223 said:
Is it really volume buying power or is it because certain "distribitors" have a monopoly and can set what ever price they want? I certainly don't want to bash any retailers but it seems odd that "mom and pop" stores in the States, who I'm sure aren't big volume buyers, can have such low prices.
The retailers here have to make a living and I support them 100% but some of the discrepancies in prices are disheartening but I don't think it's their fault at all.
I've seen Sig 226 Blackwater editions for $900.00 in small US shops that only have 5 or 6 Sigs on display. These are not modified in any way for Canada but the prices here are $1500.00. I'm sure the "distributer" buys enough Sigs to get a better deal than "mom and pop" can.
Oh by the way there is no "duty" on US firearms and the distributers hold goods in Bond so they only pay duty when the goods are sold and released from Bond.
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+1 Amen to that, if they can make more they will. I find it odd that when I ask for a price match I always get it. How many folks do not ask and just pay the asking price, maybe only a few but I guess that is the way.
 
"...seems odd that "mom and pop" stores in the States..." They aren't paying duty, taxes, much higher shipping caused mostly by about 93 cents per litre of diesel fuel, broker's fees, much higher business taxes and licences, government paperwork, etc, etc.
"...there is no "duty" on US firearms..." Of course there is. NAFTA does not apply to anything firearm related. Whoever told you there's no duty is confused. Mind you, that duty is to protect an industry that doesn't exist here.
 
kxc223 said:
Is it really volume buying power or is it because certain "distribitors" have a monopoly and can set what ever price they want? I certainly don't want to bash any retailers but it seems odd that "mom and pop" stores in the States, who I'm sure aren't big volume buyers, can have such low prices.
The retailers here have to make a living and I support them 100% but some of the discrepancies in prices are disheartening but I don't think it's their fault at all.
I've seen Sig 226 Blackwater editions for $900.00 in small US shops that only have 5 or 6 Sigs on display. These are not modified in any way for Canada but the prices here are $1500.00. I'm sure the "distributer" buys enough Sigs to get a better deal than "mom and pop" can.
Oh by the way there is no "duty" on US firearms and the distributers hold goods in Bond so they only pay duty when the goods are sold and released from Bond.
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right on kxc223 thanks for your input I believe you have nailed this one down with one sentence

"certain "distribitors" have a monopoly and can set what ever price they want"
 
Duty

Please sunray can we put this old myth about Duty to rest. Customs tariff 9305.10.00.90 "Pistols and pistol parts". Rate of duty $0.00 Excise tax $0.00. GST and PST are applied but if you are a commercial importer you do not pay PST at the border. Who told you that NAFTA doesen't apply?
 
The thing is most retailers up here, not just firearms related retailers don't want to price it to sell a higher volume, for similar profit VS selling only a few units at a higher markup. I'ts allot more work, and allot more hassle. For example, our local gun store sold bulk pack 22lr for 18.99 a brick, the local Co-op bought a few pallets worth, and sold it for 12.50 a brick, they sold out in a matter of weeks, and the gunstore didn't move any.
 
kxc223 said:
Is it really volume buying power or is it because certain "distribitors" have a monopoly and can set what ever price they want? I certainly don't want to bash any retailers but it seems odd that "mom and pop" stores in the States, who I'm sure aren't big volume buyers, can have such low prices.
The retailers here have to make a living and I support them 100% but some of the discrepancies in prices are disheartening but I don't think it's their fault at all.
I've seen Sig 226 Blackwater editions for $900.00 in small US shops that only have 5 or 6 Sigs on display. These are not modified in any way for Canada but the prices here are $1500.00. I'm sure the "distributer" buys enough Sigs to get a better deal than "mom and pop" can.
Oh by the way there is no "duty" on US firearms and the distributers hold goods in Bond so they only pay duty when the goods are sold and released from Bond.
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Well either you don't understand what is being said, or you are ignoring it. DISTRIBUTORS in the US buy in MUCH LARGER VOLUME. They in turn sell to US DEALERS at lower prices than canadian DISTRIBUTORS sell to canadian DEALERS. Larger dealers do buy from the distributors in larger volume and do see slightly better pricing still. This is why big retail chains in the US often beat the same US mom and pop stores in price.

Or if it is easier for you, we dealers are gouging you and we all have secret Swiss bank accounts where we are hiding our wealth. :rolleyes:
 
redleg said:
...Or if it is easier for you, we dealers are gouging you and we all have secret Swiss bank accounts where we are hiding our wealth. :rolleyes:
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That's right! The dealers are gouging their customers. Not only that, there is a vast conspiracy of dealers who fix prices so that comparison shopping is impossible.


Back in the day before export restrictions made importation impractical for small businesses, I would buy from US as well as Cdn. distributors. I had the impression that Cdn distributors tended to give a discount off a suggested Cdn. retail price, while US distributors sold product at a price based on their cost and a markup. It seemed that US distributors depended on rolling over their inventory rapidly. Lower markup, higher volume. When there is a single source importer/distributor, prices may well be higher.
 
OH boy..boy.. we complain our gun price more expensive than the State; And American complain they pay way much more than people pay in HK for the same stuff and Asian complain the same stuff are cheaper in China:). Life is just like that. live happily, Merry X'mas and a happy 2008 to all of you.

Trigun
 
steve5412 said:
there is such a difference when CDN $ is equal to US $?

Model Canadian $ US $ MSRP US HAGGLE $
CZ75B SA $765.00 $538.00 $450.00
CZSP01 $810.00 $616.00 $525.00
CZ75 CHAMP. $2210.00 $1691.00 $1550.00
HK 9MM USP $1870,00 $1100.00 $925.00
HK P7M8 $2125.00 $1450.00 $1350.00
HK P2000 $1075.00 $900.00 ----------
RUG 22 III $560.00 $480,00 $350.00
SIG 226 $1530.00 $850.00 -----------

It seems the higher end handguns have a greater delta so if shipping handling and admin charges etc is standard then the profit margins are much greater.

Do you think out retailers are gouging us?
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Check some of these guns with CGN sponsoring dealers like TSE & P&D etc. If you pay $15509 for a 226 something is way wrong. My P226R Stainless was $1250 from P&D.
 
BC Mike said:
Check some of these guns with CGN sponsoring dealers like TSE & P&D etc. If you pay $15509 for a 226 something is way wrong. My P226R Stainless was $1250 from P&D.
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+1

Has anybody figured out what the "US HAGGLE" means yet? Last time I was able to talk $200 off of the price of a $500 gun was never. I will however shop around for what I want. If I find it at the store I choose to purchase from, great. If not I ask them to price match. Always a good idea.

P.S. here is the real price of a 226. I'm going to buy a dozen of them and resell for a profit on the EE!

http://www.theshootingedge.com/cmgallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=9
 
i am not concern about prices as much as selection and availability. we have very limited selection on hanguns and accessories in saskatoon. more hunters than sports handgun shooters. no ar's or accessories, uncle mike's holsters and nothing else. supply and demand.

i appreciate that dealers have overhead, employees, etc. to bring the convenience to us, stocked and no waiting period, and i accept the markup. if i don't like the markup, i just don't buy.

i believe there is a conspiracy on the price of gas, i don't think it applies to guns.

i shop on the ee, and from stores here and elsewhere, thank goodness for the net.

the dollar exchange is terrific now, but there would be inventory bought by the dealer earlier this year, and there has to be cost recovery.

bulk buying is the stuff of walmart, and that is why walmart or superstore can be cheaper. my best values have been buying on good used guns, mostly on cgn, that were well cared for.
 
redleg said:
If you are looking for inventory lists see our picture gallery.
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Redleg, thank you, thank you, thank you.

I have been frustrated once or twice trying to price your inventory. NOW, I know where I can find the info: in your picture gallery.

Not exactly intuitive, but there it is nonetheless.

Thanks. Now, I shall go back to price more firearms.

And Merry Christmas to you and to ALL of our Canadian gun dealers out there.

Al Parsons
aka. Judge Vandelay
 
Judge Vandelay said:
Redleg, thank you, thank you, thank you.

I have been frustrated once or twice trying to price your inventory. NOW, I know where I can find the info: in your picture gallery.

Not exactly intuitive, but there it is nonetheless.

Thanks. Now, I shall go back to price more firearms.

And Merry Christmas to you and to ALL of our Canadian gun dealers out there.

Al Parsons
aka. Judge Vandelay
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Seems every dealer has a unique way of listing firearms for sale. TSE has theirs under "pictures"??????????, P&D doen't show photos, Italian doesn't bother. Reliable has upgraded their sight to the slowest loading I've come across. You get there eventually with most but it's an added challenge that likely causes lost sales.
 
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