Covert case for NR Stag10/102

SKB hard guitar case......... I use this case to carry my 10 g coach gun20200218_213852.jpg

Discreet..... Not so Discreet



FYI: Phoenix Gun shop & Range in Edmonton, has 2x Voodoo Tactical Guitar shaped rifle cases...... they are very well built.
Saw them last week.

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Pelican case for my Modern Hunter
 

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You can buy lots of different cases, and do what you want with them.
What I'm telling you is, if your intent is to make it look like you are carrying something other than a gun inside, you could be charged with concealed weapon. There is precedence, and you can look it up if you don't believe me.

With how retarded most of our gun laws are, you should take my word for it.
 
hannibal.black98 said:
20" you mean?

And you still have to add the length of the upper receiver and any muzzle device making it more like 30" or so needed.
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Took some measurements last night. 29.5" from the stock muzzle device to the end of the upper receiver, and another half inch to the back of my optic. I might be able to move my mount forward a notch or two to bring the rear of the optic flush to the upper receiver.
 
DOOK said:
You can buy lots of different cases, and do what you want with them.
What I'm telling you is, if your intent is to make it look like you are carrying something other than a gun inside, you could be charged with concealed weapon. There is precedence, and you can look it up if you don't believe me.

With how retarded most of our gun laws are, you should take my word for it.
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LOL...where do you live that cops are randomly searching guitar cases and other packages looking for concealed firearms?

Please post up any cases you can find where a licensed gun owner in Canada was charged with carrying a concealed weapon in a guitar case (or other non gun case) while transporting their legally owned firearm for a lawful purpose...I’ll wait....
 
The biggest argument against a non-descript case being considered concealment is bullseye pistol boxes. I'd wager 50% of the shooters at my club transport their pistols in a box like this, most are not labeled as anything.

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Trigger locked, within an opaque, locked container is all that is prescribed by the firearms act for restricted firearms. Non-restricted do not require a trigger lock or a case, legally.
 
You need a UTG Compact Rifle Case, sometimes called the homeland case or covert case or a combination of names previously mentioned. It is $ 45ish from Amazon and the best for the $....google it for pix. Its a non-descript, padded black rectangle that has a zipper around it that will hold a 20" barreled Stag10 with up to a 2.6" muzzle brake broken down into two. Folds flat to rest your rifle on a bench at the range. Has a soft terry cloth interior with molly & velcro straps inside to secure the rifle components. Add a Law Tactical folder and you don't need to break it down....just fold the stock and it still fits. Carries 5 mags in organizer pouches a few range items secured by elastic loops (bi-pod hearing protection staple gun and paper targets etc) in the outer pocket. Has a padded carry handle and a sling with shoulder pad. Also has the lockable zippers you can use a luggage cable lock. Down side is the zipper teeth can be split if you don't secure the rifle properly in the straps and the barrel smacks the zipper hard.....easy fix though if you catch it before splits to the the end of the zip.....just use the pull to re-align the teeth.

My other favorite non-descript case is a Hazard 4 "Take Down" sling Pack.....expensive but high quality. Maxpedition use to make a similar version.


Good luck.
 
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Pretty sure anything can be used as a case, pending it is marked as containing a firearm. So a tag, sticker, or sharpie. I'm Anglo, but I write firearm in French, small print in an obscure area on a bag or case that is not obviously a gun case to be in compliance. You never know about the over zealous officers who may raise a stink otherwise.
 
Shua said:
Pretty sure anything can be used as a case, pending it is marked as containing a firearm. So a tag, sticker, or sharpie. I'm Anglo, but I write firearm in French, small print in an obscure area on a bag or case that is not obviously a gun case to be in compliance. You never know about the over zealous officers who may raise a stink otherwise.
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LMFAO how does "firearm" translate into French? Or Spanish? How about Latin? I don't care if this is a bilingual country, multiculturalism is our strength, let's use it against them?

(I remember reading somewhere years ago David Beckham had his wife's name tattooed in Hindu, and that if they divorced only 10% of the world's population could laugh at him.)
 
DOOK said:
You can buy lots of different cases, and do what you want with them.
What I'm telling you is, if your intent is to make it look like you are carrying something other than a gun inside, you could be charged with concealed weapon. There is precedence, and you can look it up if you don't believe me.

With how retarded most of our gun laws are, you should take my word for it.
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By that logic anything that doesn't say in giant letters "GUN CASE" on the outside or similar would be illegal.

Even a normal rectangular pelican case could be "concealing a firearm".

I'm going to put this one under, myths of the internet.
 
chanrobi said:
By that logic anything that doesn't say in giant letters "GUN CASE" on the outside or similar would be illegal.

Even a normal rectangular pelican case could be "concealing a firearm".

I'm going to put this one under, myths of the internet.
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It's all about intent as far as I'm aware. If you tell the officer that you intended to conceal the firearm (for example, so as to not cause undue public concern) then that is where the problem lies, not so much with the case. It is pretty impossible to conceal a firearm in what is overtly a gun case, but if the case is not specifically made for firearms (e.g. guitar case, camera cases, etc.), then the whole idea of attempting to conceal it comes into play. That is why others have recommended labelling said case. Hard for someone to argue for concealment when the contents are clearly displayed on the container.
 
btabin said:
It's all about intent as far as I'm aware. If you tell the officer that you intended to conceal the firearm (for example, so as to not cause undue public concern) then that is where the problem lies, not so much with the case. It is pretty impossible to conceal a firearm in what is overtly a gun case, but if the case is not specifically made for firearms (e.g. guitar case, camera cases, etc.), then the whole idea of attempting to conceal it comes into play. That is why others have recommended labelling said case. Hard for someone to argue for concealment when the contents are clearly displayed on the container.
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This is correct. Putting a firearm inside a guitar shaped case with no indication there is a gun inside speaks to intent. A regular Pellican case is fine, as you could have anything in there. Not specifically a guitar.
I would shy away from music related stickers, however.
You are free to do whatever you want. I would search the thread about the blanket guy, and see what was determined out of that, just so you make well informed decisions.

Keep safe.
 
Wow.

How do people lack any logic and common sense.


If you put your lunch in your gym bag is it still a gym bag?

Your intent is to transport a firearm.... that's it.

Call it a low profile gun case.
 
Anyone that wants to test the legality of carrying your rifle in a guitar case should do this:


  • Make sure the firearm has a live round in the chamber
  • Make sure the guitar case is in a state of disrepair and maybe flops open randomly, so the firearm is partially exposed
  • Get on public transport and act suspicious
  • When asked what your purpose for bringing a firearm onto the transport is, say "I plan on going on a shooting spree"
  • When police arrive and ask you why your firearm is in the case, tell them that you wanted to conceal it

BONUS STEP:If you are lucky enough to go through all these steps and end up in front of a judge, make sure you tell the judge that your intention was to conceal the firearm from others.


If you follow these steps you will have an opportunity to discuss with a judge why your firearm is in a guitar case. Omit these steps and
you will just be some guy with a guitar case walking through your apartment to your car.
 
Daver_II said:
Wow.

How do people lack any logic and common sense.


If you put your lunch in your gym bag is it still a gym bag?

Your intent is to transport a firearm.... that's it.

Call it a low profile gun case.
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Your lunch isn't considered a weapon whereas a firearm unfortunately always is, no matter if you intend to use it as one. Carrying a Concealed Weapon is a criminal offense and all it takes to convict you is pretty much proving you knew what you were concealing.

Gun cases and other methods that clearly show that the item within is a firearm isn't considered concealing, but other methods might be.

Gatehouse said:
Anyone that wants to test the legality of carrying your rifle in a guitar case should do this:


  • Make sure the firearm has a live round in the chamber
  • Make sure the guitar case is in a state of disrepair and maybe flops open randomly, so the firearm is partially exposed
  • Get on public transport and act suspicious
  • When asked what your purpose for bringing a firearm onto the transport is, say "I plan on going on a shooting spree"
  • When police arrive and ask you why your firearm is in the case, tell them that you wanted to conceal it

BONUS STEP:If you are lucky enough to go through all these steps and end up in front of a judge, make sure you tell the judge that your intention was to conceal the firearm from others.


If you follow these steps you will have an opportunity to discuss with a judge why your firearm is in a guitar case. Omit these steps and
you will just be some guy with a guitar case walking through your apartment to your car.
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Works better if you use a blanket I hear.
 
If a room or cabinet "adapted for storage of firearms" is acceptable for storage, a container "adapted for transportation of firearms" is acceptable for transportation.

Period.

You will not be stopped by law enforcement in your day-to-day life... unless they have a reason to stop you.


And ANY court would agree that a licensed gun owner that chose a particular case to:

1. Protect their property
2. Limit exposure to theft
3. Attempt to not cause a disturbance in public area
etc.

Is not attempting to conceal a firearm. To propose the contrary is ridiculous.


As I already said, it is legal to walk out with it completely uncased.... might give you a warning for causing a disturbance however...
Use good judgment, and live your life.
 
I agree that the chances of any LEO noticing, or even caring what you have in your guitar case is very small. We aren't the problem.

As a firearms owner, I take the stance that if you eliminate all possibilities of even appearing to be illegal, you might still even have to explain yourself eventually.
So why give them a reason to put the screws to you?

The precedent has been set. To cover up your firearm with the intent to disguise it as something else is considered concealing a weapon. They guy was a complete moron who obviously meant no harm, and wanted to avoid making the other riders nervous.
By admitting this was his intent, he opened himself up to penalty.

In this current political climate, and cancel culture, I think we have to keep a good public image. All of us. The possibility may be small, but the consequences are complelty out of proportion to the illegal act.

Stay safe.
 
I agree with you for the most part DOOK,

however, going the extra mile every time someone thinks up more "regulation" or a more "PC way" leads us to all sorts of things.

Like round limits at our gun clubs (no shooting faster than 1 round every 30 sec... this exists in some clubs)

or Central storage as policy - again, this is being discussed by the government.

or having to write "this is a firearm" on your canadian tire tool box you put your handgun in..

If you don't filter the bull####, eventually people think the safest way is the standard, and they think up a "safer" way...

All you have to do is follow the letter, AND the spirit of the law, and you wont have any issues.
 
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