Good to hear....There was a fellow at the Guelph match last month that had Winny in 38spc....Nothing but problems, would always jam, until several stages later someone pointed out that SWC`s are usually a no-no in lever actions...He switched to some round nose that he had, and presto, smooth sailing........I used SWC for the first time and they were catching on the shoulder of the bullet when entering the chamber. That's when I found out it didn't like SWC, when I switched back to RN....flawless.
Cowboy Action - Equipment question
- Thread starter Busta Capp
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"Not quite true...Uberti`s "Trapper" `73 rifle (16" barrel) will only hold 9 rounds... "
Ok, so you got me there. I should know better, as I have a 66 trapper in 357/38 and it only holds 9. However, the toggle action trappers are rare and rather pricey, so in most cases they wouldn't be a consideration.
Bottom line, stay away from the trapper models. Get something to hold 10 rounds and you will be a happy shooter wherever you go and no regrets.
Ok, so you got me there. I should know better, as I have a 66 trapper in 357/38 and it only holds 9. However, the toggle action trappers are rare and rather pricey, so in most cases they wouldn't be a consideration.
Bottom line, stay away from the trapper models. Get something to hold 10 rounds and you will be a happy shooter wherever you go and no regrets.
Airwolf:
"Islington, Guelph, HAHA, Orillia, for example, all stages with 8 rounds in rifle...."
Sorry my friend, but unless I shot two rounds too many, Guelph last month was 10 rounds in the rifle every stage, were you the guy in Posse 2 that kept having to add 2 more rounds into the rifle?
I agree that RNFP's work better in a lever, but in my M92, I found it is the overall length of the cartridge that makes more of a difference, in my case 1.492 inches seems to be the magic number for the 38's. I shoot SWC's for practice on a regular basis and the M92 hasn't jammed yet, but I admit I do use RNFP's in the events.
Niagara Glenn
"Islington, Guelph, HAHA, Orillia, for example, all stages with 8 rounds in rifle...."
Sorry my friend, but unless I shot two rounds too many, Guelph last month was 10 rounds in the rifle every stage, were you the guy in Posse 2 that kept having to add 2 more rounds into the rifle?
I agree that RNFP's work better in a lever, but in my M92, I found it is the overall length of the cartridge that makes more of a difference, in my case 1.492 inches seems to be the magic number for the 38's. I shoot SWC's for practice on a regular basis and the M92 hasn't jammed yet, but I admit I do use RNFP's in the events.
Niagara Glenn
I shoot RN in my levers for fun, but on the clock it's always RNFP. That way I am guaranteed that when shooting really fast there's no room for error. SWC's in my pistols only.
I have quite a collection of levers in a variety of calibres, including some toggle action race guns. All of my guns have been properly tuned by lightening and polishing, plus short-stroke kits, lightning rods etc.. in the toggle actions.
Funny thing, is that I shoot the fastest, and find the smoothest most reliable guns to be my Marlin 94's in 357/38 using 38 RNFP.
In the 357/92's, I find that for plinking they will cylce 38's, but at high speed they are only reliable with 357's. The timing on the 92 lifters needs to be so precise that when they are tuned, the shorter, lighter 38's are prone to stove-piping when the action is cycled fast. 92's are great guns, but they can be tricky for the average smith to tune properly.
For a first time buyer, I would recommend the Marlin 94's. A good smith is my first choice, but anyone can swap the springs, load up the action with polishing compound and work the action for a couple of hours in front of the television. Effectively, all they need are lighter springs, and the effect of running a few thousand rounds through them to make them fast, smooth and reliable.
I have quite a collection of levers in a variety of calibres, including some toggle action race guns. All of my guns have been properly tuned by lightening and polishing, plus short-stroke kits, lightning rods etc.. in the toggle actions.
Funny thing, is that I shoot the fastest, and find the smoothest most reliable guns to be my Marlin 94's in 357/38 using 38 RNFP.
In the 357/92's, I find that for plinking they will cylce 38's, but at high speed they are only reliable with 357's. The timing on the 92 lifters needs to be so precise that when they are tuned, the shorter, lighter 38's are prone to stove-piping when the action is cycled fast. 92's are great guns, but they can be tricky for the average smith to tune properly.
For a first time buyer, I would recommend the Marlin 94's. A good smith is my first choice, but anyone can swap the springs, load up the action with polishing compound and work the action for a couple of hours in front of the television. Effectively, all they need are lighter springs, and the effect of running a few thousand rounds through them to make them fast, smooth and reliable.
tumbleweeds13
CGN Regular
I've been shooting CAS in southern Ontario for about 15 years, and in my experience, 10 rounds for the rifle is standard not 8. Thus, if I wanted to shoot to my potential, whether that put me into a plaque or not, I definitely wouldn't buy a rifle that held only 8 rounds. That being said, we've a shooter who uses nothing but black powder, and shoots a Spencer carbine replica in it's original chambering (56-50) It only holds 7 and he loads the other 3 on the clock and it's just so stinking cool that you can smell the fun. Everyone shoots for their own reasons. But if you honestly want to be the best you can be, get a rifle that'll hold 10. If you honestly don't care, then enjoy your involvment at whatever level you choose. Happy trails
Wildcat O'Shea
SASS # 47844
By the way, I shoot a Marlin 94 in .45 LC and there are not too many faster with a rifle than me. It's that stinking shotgun that slows me down. I've tried 97's, double's , hammered doubles, and lever action shotgun's, and no matter what, I drop shells, fumble loading, turn the air blue, and generally have a blast. So you can get a race tuned, short stroked 73 winchester clone, or a Marlin, and 1,000 rounds for practise, and you'll get about the same result.
Wildcat O'Shea
SASS # 47844
By the way, I shoot a Marlin 94 in .45 LC and there are not too many faster with a rifle than me. It's that stinking shotgun that slows me down. I've tried 97's, double's , hammered doubles, and lever action shotgun's, and no matter what, I drop shells, fumble loading, turn the air blue, and generally have a blast. So you can get a race tuned, short stroked 73 winchester clone, or a Marlin, and 1,000 rounds for practise, and you'll get about the same result.
Can't argue with that logic. In my .44 Mag Vaqueros W231 is the powder that gives me the tightest groups, in my .44 Mag Marlin M1894S & 1906 mfg Winchester 92 in .44 mag, they like Unique. As pistol reloads on the clock are rare I shoot LSWC's in the revolvers for the best accuracy.
In my fiancees Browning B92 and Puma M92 in .357, RNFP seem to work best.
Opps...You know...You`re right...I don`t know what I was thinking about 8 rounds in the rifle being standard....Major brain f*rt....I was the guy shooting the 1860 Henry, loaded to 10 rds
...I will now go away and hide.....
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Mea culpa on the 8 rds in rifle...My mind went on vaction for a while there sry all...The guy shooting the Spencer was Pecos Pete, friend of mine, and I was on his posse....I was shooting the 1860 Henry with BP loads...I love that Spencer, and Pete has offered to sell it to me, but it`s more than I can afford right now.*sigh*....
Texas Jack
But Trapper models look cool....and I always say, that If you can`t shoot worth a damn, at least shoot with style....
Maybe Islington, Guelph and Orillia write all stages with eight rounds but HAHA always writes stages with rifles loaded with TEN rounds.
If a shooter has a rifle that will only hold nine or less they can reload on the clock or take the misses.
As someone already pointed out cutting the mag spring can increase the round capacity. Take off the mag cap and see how far the spring sticks out the end. Cut it by bits and see how many rounds it will hold. Don't go less than four inches.
If a shooter has a rifle that will only hold nine or less they can reload on the clock or take the misses.
As someone already pointed out cutting the mag spring can increase the round capacity. Take off the mag cap and see how far the spring sticks out the end. Cut it by bits and see how many rounds it will hold. Don't go less than four inches.
Airwolf:
Hey, no problem, we just don't want to mislead a newbie, do we?
Yes, there was some nice equipment there, but my wife said no more for this year!
I would have loved to win that BP revolver, then I would have had to buy another. (Grin) would have been a good excuse.
Niagara Glenn
Hey, no problem, we just don't want to mislead a newbie, do we?
Yes, there was some nice equipment there, but my wife said no more for this year!
I would have loved to win that BP revolver, then I would have had to buy another. (Grin) would have been a good excuse.
Niagara Glenn
