Coyote hunting - Charges laid

I would not have thought it either but it is able to transmit to humans

Defined
a skin disease of mammals caused by parasitic mites and occasionally communicable to humans. It typically causes severe itching, hair loss, and the formation of scabs and lesions.
 
hunter148 said:
I would not have thought it either but it is able to transmit to humans

Defined
a skin disease of mammals caused by parasitic mites and occasionally communicable to humans. It typically causes severe itching, hair loss, and the formation of scabs and lesions.
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Googled it. Little motherfcukers lay eggs in your skin <shudders>. I need a higher power scope...
 
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All poachers need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, why should this be any different.
 
kodiakjack said:
Is a hunter who shoots a coyote for predator control, and fails to remove and sell the hide a poacher in your eyes?
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Do the laws require you to remove the pelt in that circumstance though? I thought landowners were allowed to shoot them without removing the hide as long as it's for livestock protection purposes?
 
I'm certain if they had shot them on a landowners property who had asked them to help with preditors, they would not have been charged with leaving furs. For example you cant claim you're controlling a predator problem on crown land. But I really don't know what happened here.
 
hunter148 said:
Or you can be like my buddy and skin out a questionable coyote and end up with mange himself and then not tell his buddy that shipped the hides and he and kids and dog ended up with mange as well.

I will bet this incident stems from shooting off the road and trespassing and the like from individuals that should not be there in the first place. We are up to 52 critters this winter and not a issue, running dogs and at least a dozen trucks a weekend and not a hint of intervention from the authorities, but we make sure to meet and greet the landowners yearly. Of the 52, 23 have seen the drying boards as mange is always an issue. I will agree that dragging a mangy carcass to a bush or fence row sucks but it saves a great deal of grief from the folks that have no clue
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That's where the "loaded firearms in a vehicle" come in. The guys I know are always standing in the box of the pick up using the roof as a rest to nail Coyotes 200M out in the field. That means that they're also shooting from a roadway...both are stupid and illegal. Non-hunters see that and freak out.

kodiakjack said:
I didn’t even know that was a thing... Welp, time to switch to 50bmg Varmint Grenades to make sure there’s nothing left worth keeping.
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Yep,it's definitely a "thing". Bin there,dun that. The back of my hands and wrists were a mess for almost a month. The cream the Doc gave me to put on twice a day smelled like kerosene and I had to wear cotton gloves 24/7 until it was cleared up. From then on,I carry a length of nylon rope to loop around a hind leg for dragging and surgical gloves taking care to never let the hide or carcass touch any part of my skin or clothing.

Suther said:
Do the laws require you to remove the pelt in that circumstance though? I thought landowners were allowed to shoot them without removing the hide as long as it's for livestock protection purposes?
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Landowners don't need a small game license to kill predators in Ontario,but,anyone acting as their agent do. Mangy or hides that are all shot to hell ;) don't need to be removed.
 
TheCoyoteHunter said:
The average value of a coyote pelt was $85 for me last year, some had grapefruit size holes, I just stitch them up with fishing twine.
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If they were worth $85.00 in Ontario I'd keep every one. But they're closer to $3-12 bucks. Most coyotes we shoot are left in the field in an inconspicuous spot. We do not leave them in the open for the world to pass judgement on us. Any coyotes pelts that look to be worth removing are removed and either sent to auction or tanned and hung on the wall.
 
I ran into a CO the other day and talked to him about it and it sounded like these guys deserved most of the charges. They were hunting with dogs which were all over the place (dogs don't know where one property ends and another begins), they were not just getting a few coyotes, but piles...and leaving them there. Technically even if you get a raccoon your supposed to take the hide if its worth even $1. If it has mange or if it's mangled that's different, or if your nuisance hunting for farmers. Guys were also driving around with loaded guns and walking down the road, etc. Some have had multiple warnings before said charges too. I thought it sounded crazy getting charges hunting coyotes too until I got more info on the whole story.
 
Jacobpoirier said:
I ran into a CO the other day and talked to him about it and it sounded like these guys deserved most of the charges. They were hunting with dogs which were all over the place (dogs don't know where one property ends and another begins), they were not just getting a few coyotes, but piles...and leaving them there. Technically even if you get a raccoon your supposed to take the hide if its worth even $1. If it has mange or if it's mangled that's different, or if your nuisance hunting for farmers. Guys were also driving around with loaded guns and walking down the road, etc. Some have had multiple warnings before said charges too. I thought it sounded crazy getting charges hunting coyotes too until I got more info on the whole story.
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Thanks for the follow up. Yeah, I had no doubt that the charges were warranted, but I had just never seen a coyote pelt charge before.
 
Hard to believe they were just leaving them to rot. Any houndsmen I know sells the pelts to pay for dog food and other expenses. It's a lot of money when your talking 100+ coyotes a year
 
That being said, I never talked to any of the people being charged so I just got one side (a side that hadn't been explained before at least). Just thought that article was pretty interesting since I've never heard of people being charged like that before and figured I'd share what I heard. Just hope all the charges laid were justified.
 
DVXDUDE said:
Hard to believe they were just leaving them to rot. Any houndsmen I know sells the pelts to pay for dog food and other expenses. It's a lot of money when your talking 100+ coyotes a year
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This is what our group does. Although the pelt prices aren't great and most coyote pelts in Ontario are inferior to western pelts and a good portion of our coyotes have mange. Of course explaining to a CO about a spot of mange could prove problematic the other charges are just plain stupidity by the hunters. Loaded gun in the truck? That's pretty dumb
 
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