I'm with you, the world would be a better place with no coyotes.
Coyotes with pups
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I'm with you, the world would be a better place with no coyotes.
Some of you friggin guys.
Killing an animal is killing an animal...... Just because it look like a dog does not make it anymore special.
A mouse , a gopher, a coyote. They are all animals. They all live and breath. They all WANT to live. They all breed and rear young. How can you justify that it is ok to kill one and let the litter die but it is not ok to kill another animal and let their young die.
an animal is an animal
killing is killing
staving to death is starving to death.
pick a side of the fence and stay on it.
What over righteous, over the top, pompus bull####.
Killing an animal is killing an animal...... Just because it look like a dog does not make it anymore special.
A mouse , a gopher, a coyote. They are all animals. They all live and breath. They all WANT to live. They all breed and rear young. How can you justify that it is ok to kill one and let the litter die but it is not ok to kill another animal and let their young die.
an animal is an animal
killing is killing
staving to death is starving to death.
pick a side of the fence and stay on it.
What over righteous, over the top, pompus bull####.
I read an article from a guy in the Dakotas who would take his dog to a Coyote den when there were pups in it. He trained his dog to go close enough for mom to charge and the dog would run back to him. He would do this for a while and the return when the pups were old enough to charge as well. At that point he would take his shot gun, when his dog came running back with the Coyote's in pursuit he would unload and finish them all off ( except his dog of course ). He reported that they would come within 15 feet of him when they were charging his dog. That sounds like fun.
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- Kawartha Lakes, Ontario
I obviously agree with you.
I also wonder what the net effect is of killing a mother and litter: given their ability to breed, I suspect that hunting pressure has little effect on coyote populations. There are just so many opportunities for them to breed, and I suspect that hunters take a very small toll.
I do know that the big crash in coyote populations a few years ago here in southern Ontario was due to mange. We had one crawl into a horse stall to die - it stank and was missing most of its coat. I put it out of its misery with a .22.
The main incentive for me to hunt coyotes would be to control individuals or groups that have started to take stock or pets. As has been repeatedly pointed out, they primarily subsist on "vermin" and on balance probably do more good than harm.
bearkilr
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- Nowhere, ......just past the middle
That's a blanket statement and an untrue one at that. They subsist mainly on deer in my area(Manitoba) and are harder on them than the wolves. They will kill healthy adult deer all day long, like it or not.
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- Kawartha Lakes, Ontario
Sorry to differ, but every thing I have read suggests otherwise. A 2 year study in BC showed that small rodents were 70.2% of the diet, rabbits 8.2% rest was mix of raccoon, opossum, muskrat, deer, plants, insects. A US study of 15,000 coyotes showed rabbits 33%, rodents 18%, carrion 25%.
An Ontario MNR report suggests that they are a net benefit, as they primarily eat mice (30%) rabbits and hares (up to 40%), groundhogs, etc.
Studies of coyote predation on ungulates shows little to no effect on herd sizes over the long term.
I'm quoting these studies second hand. If there is a wildlife biologist who can give a more credible response, please do.
Like wolves, coyotes have a lot of mythology and bunkum associated with them. They are part of the natural order - shoot 'em if you want, but don't try to justify it with non-facts.
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- Kawartha Lakes, Ontario
Not exactly sure what side of the fence you're coming down on, but for me, any animal I kill should die as quickly and humanely as possible, whether I shoot it for meat or pest control.
Coyotes are dogs (canids), very closely related to both domestic dogs and wolves - and are extremely intelligent. It does add to the discomfort factor for me, especially after hearing some of the stories of domesticated coyotes previously posted. YMMV.
I hunted with a guy in northern Manitoba and he showed me pictures of a coyote dog he raised from a pup. When they were rabbit hunting the coyote would stay with him and listen to the dogs and then dash in and grab the hare and bring it out. He told me the coyote spent a lot of time with his son and when the son went to college the coyote missed him so much he wouldn't eat and actually died!
I think it would be neat too to get one as a pup.
I only "hunt" gophers, but I am from a family farm and I can't see any real harm that these dogs cause. I know they're larger in the east than out here, but I have yet to hear of a calf being taken down by yotes. Sure they'll clean up the dead ones, but I've never heard of a real problem with killing live calves. I know a lot of guys hunt them for recreation, and that's about the only benefit that comes from it. I agree with the other guys that say they clean up more mice and gophers and hence are probably more of a benefit.
I was wondering myself when they had pups, I'll remind my brother who actively goes out with his buddies to shoot them that he should take those pups into consideration.
I was wondering myself when they had pups, I'll remind my brother who actively goes out with his buddies to shoot them that he should take those pups into consideration.
