CQB+Camo+Newbie=discouraged
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Why wear camo? a lot of guys have nothing but complaints about the issued stuff anyway. Wear something that is comfortable and functional for you, If camo fits the bill, then go for it. I like some of the 5.11 stuff for range days, better quality than anything currently on issue, built in mag and accessory pockets.
I don't care what people wear to the range or the bar.. But there is a difference between wearing clothes and playing a part.... I'll be damned if some turkey comes to the range wearing camo and insignia, flags and a rank and has never served...
It's like the kids on the street wearing an old jacket with stripes on them it pisses me off I had to earn my stripes (a couple of times
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I don't have any camo clothing... I still have my beret and my parade boots.. I wouldn't fit into the rest anyways...
personally I'd probably like to get some BDU's but I don't think they would be Camo anyways more likely a solid color..
I have RCMP T-shirts and a think I still have a couple royals shirts... I shot with the RCMP and they had some shirts that fit nice in the shop at DEPOT....
It's like the kids on the street wearing an old jacket with stripes on them it pisses me off I had to earn my stripes (a couple of times
) I don't have any camo clothing... I still have my beret and my parade boots.. I wouldn't fit into the rest anyways...
personally I'd probably like to get some BDU's but I don't think they would be Camo anyways more likely a solid color..
I have RCMP T-shirts and a think I still have a couple royals shirts... I shot with the RCMP and they had some shirts that fit nice in the shop at DEPOT....
I'm a little confused here, talking about something being right or wrong makes one a dictator? Since when did free-thinking mean "free thinking, unless you want to say something's right or wrong"? Sure there might not be an objective right or wrong, but I think at the very least we could come to some sort of general agreement on a societal level of certain things being distasteful or wrong, if even just on a subjective level.
Regarding the camo, I'm mostly along with the majority of people here; it's disgraceful to imitate a uniformed soldier, but camo is just a pattern. I wouldn't wear camo(full camo or just shirt/pants) to a range/shooting event, but that's just my taste.
Didn't feel like getting into this but I have to ask.
So you're saying its understandable that an organization such as the IPSC applies such a rule but not the organizers of a match?
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
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No I agree with the IPSC rule, as I know it because that is all I shoot right now.
But I would include in that any range or Match organizer in that understanding.
If you want to were camo because you like it, or because your some weekend warrior fine cool go ahead, but if you want to participate in an event you must follow there rules. full stop.
But I would include in that any range or Match organizer in that understanding.
If you want to were camo because you like it, or because your some weekend warrior fine cool go ahead, but if you want to participate in an event you must follow there rules. full stop.
My standard line is this.
If you choose to make yourself an object of ridicule, who am I to deny you.
If you have a need or desire to dress up like a metrosexual Rambo, have fun. Posers stand out.
If you feel comfortable in cammies, bdu's or your real earth gear, have fun. I don't mind.
If you choose to make yourself an object of ridicule, who am I to deny you.
If you have a need or desire to dress up like a metrosexual Rambo, have fun. Posers stand out.
If you feel comfortable in cammies, bdu's or your real earth gear, have fun. I don't mind.
why do you think it's disgraceful? maybe someone is "proud" of their military and likes to dress up like them. maybe they can't get in the military for some reason. maybe they like to express themselves dressing this way.
it's a totally different story if someone was dressed in military "looking" uniform and posing him/herself as being in the the military, also telling people that he/she served when he/she did not. that's lying.
I don't think the military men and women should feel like they are being disrespected in any way, a lot of people look up to them, and maybe the only way they know how to show it is by dressing up like them. We are talking about clothes here people, let's not judge someone by what they are wearing, just as anti-gun groups judge us gun-loving folks for owning firearms. The range is the only place where we can live out some of our fantasies of being in the military, swat team, or what have you. It's just fun. Let's not restrict our freedoms even further.
I'll wear whatever I want to the range as long as the person who owns the range doesn't mind.
I can understand why you don't wear cadpat - because it is a uniform and it looks like s**t if you don't wear it properly. it is disrespect.
However, if you want to wear commercial, outdated or other countries' camo - who cares? so hunters are supposed to earn their right to wear Realtree? The whole thing doesn't make too much sense. So what's next? No black because mall cops wear them? Or blue, how about the Air force?? or White, for the Navy??? Maybe no one should be wearing Major League Jerseys either...
(well, no one will degrade themselve with Leafs jerseys I guess....)
However, if you want to wear commercial, outdated or other countries' camo - who cares? so hunters are supposed to earn their right to wear Realtree? The whole thing doesn't make too much sense. So what's next? No black because mall cops wear them? Or blue, how about the Air force?? or White, for the Navy??? Maybe no one should be wearing Major League Jerseys either...
(well, no one will degrade themselve with Leafs jerseys I guess....)
that's just it.. it doesn't stop at camo, or the guy who wears tactical gear at the range. I would love to wear tactical gear and go to some remote place and shoot outdoors... but that's illegal, so the only place i can go is a range, where other people go and can criticize what you are wearing
I like to see the guys wearing camo and tactical gear, it's like another reality, something you see in the movies, you can act it out at the range well, just the shooting part.... at paper targets.
anyone dress up in costumes at home with their wives? (you know what i'm talking about ) it's almost the same, except you don't take it off before you start shooting. lol
I like to see the guys wearing camo and tactical gear, it's like another reality, something you see in the movies, you can act it out at the range
well, just the shooting part.... at paper targets. anyone dress up in costumes at home with their wives? (you know what i'm talking about
) it's almost the same, except you don't take it off before you start shooting. lol
Not having followed the debate, I think this movie from Bill Whittle offers a good explaination about wearing of uniforms:
http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburn...diers,_They_Are_the_Weapons_in_This_War/2716/
Simply put:
A soldier wears a uniform not protect the soldier, but to protect civilians.
... by declaring himself a combatant in uniform, he is simultaneously declaring anyone not wearing a uniform is not.
Wear camo all you want, camo itself is not the uniform of a country's military.
http://www.pjtv.com/video/Afterburn...diers,_They_Are_the_Weapons_in_This_War/2716/
Simply put:
A soldier wears a uniform not protect the soldier, but to protect civilians.
... by declaring himself a combatant in uniform, he is simultaneously declaring anyone not wearing a uniform is not.
Wear camo all you want, camo itself is not the uniform of a country's military.
I have personally seen on a couple of occasions people wearing camo at IPSC, and nobody gave a ####. Do people really think anti gun people will show up at a shooting match and go oooooooh look at that horrible camo I bet after hes done at the range hes gonna go down and whack a dozen people at the mall?
I wonder if some of these guys who are the military who think that people havent earned the
right to wear camo are like the company cook or something. Who cares as long as the person isnt wearing insignias or regimental type stuff.
Just an observation...
Many of the guys I've seen all dressed up don't do too well score wise..
Having all those pockets and pouches only works if you know/remember which pocket you put your mag(s) in...
Nothin' funnier than watching a guy frisk-search himself mid-stage looking for that mag so he can finish the reload and carry on....
Many of the guys I've seen all dressed up don't do too well score wise..
Having all those pockets and pouches only works if you know/remember which pocket you put your mag(s) in...
Nothin' funnier than watching a guy frisk-search himself mid-stage looking for that mag so he can finish the reload and carry on....
Just an observation...
Many of the guys I've seen all dressed up don't do too well score wise..
Having all those pockets and pouches only works if you know/remember which pocket you put your mag(s) in...
Nothin' funnier than watching a guy frisk-search himself mid-stage looking for that mag so he can finish the reload and carry on....
My rig holds 3 things, camel back, mags, rifle (molle sling) if i cant find my mags i deserve to loose. That said, when i do go to the few match type events i do. The people who score the lowest tend to be pocketing their mags. The corners always seem to get stuck when they try to pull them out heh.
sorry if this is a dumb question, but don't you keep the mags in your mag holder? why would someone have to dig around for an empty mag in their pockets?
They are digging for a full mag, as their empty mags are in the dirt on the ground.
Just an observation...
Many of the guys I've seen all dressed up don't do too well score wise..
Having all those pockets and pouches only works if you know/remember which pocket you put your mag(s) in...
Nothin' funnier than watching a guy frisk-search himself mid-stage looking for that mag so he can finish the reload and carry on....
ya got a point there, I would rather use a shoulder bag full of mags the mag pouches. Alot of the mil type gear when used for 3 gun type competition stuff will slow you down. I prefer a nice simple Galco holster to, none of that drop leg crap. But hey I still support the right for somebody to wear what they want.
Well, the only camo I personally ever wore to a range made me feel so awkward that I actually took them off halfway through the shoot.
Unfortunately it was camo underwear, and I was just wearing leather chaps overtop. Still, I felt a lot more relaxed once I got out of the camo.
Honestly I would wear whatever the #### I felt like. That said, playing dress-up is pretty ### so if you look in the mirror and say, "man, I'm playing dress-up here" then you're freaking ###, man.
But if you are wearing a pair of camo pants or a camo shirt and it's just part of a casual wardrobe or whatever, then cool. Or if you're seriously in to shooting sports and you have a ####load of ESS or Paraclete gear accumulated from all your action shooting, cool.
As I have often said, it's the vibe, not the gear.
IE:
Full camo and tactical gear + fun, relaxed vibe = this guy is fine
No tactical gear or camo + creepy, wound-up-too-tight vibe = stay away
Unfortunately it was camo underwear, and I was just wearing leather chaps overtop. Still, I felt a lot more relaxed once I got out of the camo.
Honestly I would wear whatever the #### I felt like. That said, playing dress-up is pretty ### so if you look in the mirror and say, "man, I'm playing dress-up here" then you're freaking ###, man.
But if you are wearing a pair of camo pants or a camo shirt and it's just part of a casual wardrobe or whatever, then cool. Or if you're seriously in to shooting sports and you have a ####load of ESS or Paraclete gear accumulated from all your action shooting, cool.
As I have often said, it's the vibe, not the gear.
IE:
Full camo and tactical gear + fun, relaxed vibe = this guy is fine
No tactical gear or camo + creepy, wound-up-too-tight vibe = stay away
