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Longshot338

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I finally got out to practice for CQB with Pvt. Pyles. We will be attending the TacticalTeacher CQB clinic in Petawawa in June. We were doing a couple drills to prepare for the clinic.

We stood 10yds from the target. We used a fig11 and fig14 target combo. 5 shots each target with carbines, transition to handguns, 5 shots each target.

Lots of fun, definitely feel more prepared now that I have done a transition during live fire, not just blank drills.

I feel great about my rifle shooting. Never a shot outside the inner ring, 40 rounds total. Most groupings were about an inch and a half with the better groups about an inch, and the worst tickled both edges of the 2" width inner bull.

My handgun shooting however... Wow! Do I ever need work! I didn't even put all my shots on paper! Nothing that did hit resembled a group. Horrible.

I can group ok with my 1911 shooting slow and deliberately, but it really got away from me when I was under the gun time-wise. I need to focus on relaxing. A lot.

Looking forward to seeing you out there this year!
 
Longshot338 said:
I finally got out to practice for CQB with Pvt. Pyles. We will be attending the TacticalTeacher CQB clinic in Petawawa in June. We were doing a couple drills to prepare for the clinic.

We stood 10yds from the target. We used a fig11 and fig14 target combo. 5 shots each target with carbines, transition to handguns, 5 shots each target.

Lots of fun, definitely feel more prepared now that I have done a transition during live fire, not just blank drills.

I feel great about my rifle shooting. Never a shot outside the inner ring, 40 rounds total. Most groupings were about an inch and a half with the better groups about an inch, and the worst tickled both edges of the 2" width inner bull.

My handgun shooting however... Wow! Do I ever need work! I didn't even put all my shots on paper! Nothing that did hit resembled a group. Horrible.

I can group ok with my 1911 shooting slow and deliberately, but it really got away from me when I was under the gun time-wise. I need to focus on relaxing. A lot.

Looking forward to seeing you out there this year!
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I'll be there in June as well so you don't have to worry about being the worst pistol shooter there...I've got that covered. I've started practicing the drills as well..,both dry fire and a couple times at the range. Have to say, the rifle mag changes in front of the mirror seem smooth and relatively quick, but on the range I keep fumbling...even dropped a couple mags. Looking forward to seeing everyone up there next month - and learning a ton as well. Keep practicing!
 
Trust me..... we are gonna have a lot of fun! :)

chalkriver is pumped up to host us on Base Petawawa. A great bunch of fellows at the Petawawa GC. :wave:

Now just keep practicing those magazine changes; label and number your magazines, both rifle 5/30 and pistol mags.
Bring lots of water and drinks and snacks, Echo Range gets very hot in the late June sun! :eek:


Cheers,
Barney
 
Why label mags? I have already selected 8 to bring. Not a single failure to feed or failure to seat. All 8 seat on a closed bolt (pinned to 5.5rds)

Need to reload now. What are the chances of me coming home with brass to replace what I shot? Do we get to collect brass at any point?

I have issues seating my 1911 mags. They fit flush, and they click in sub flush. I have to be careful to place the mag bottom on my knuckles to properly seat them. I will get more with bumpers on the bottom.

All my gear is worked out now. I have a TT MAV vest with the chest bib, center adapter, and x harness. Pistol mags are on a drop leg rig left side, Serpa2 drop-leg on the right. Droplegs are high and tight; right under my belt level, 1 leg strap.

Now I need to work up some loads for my rifle and handgun, and get practice!
 
Mags are numbered so that in the event of a failure, you can note which one failed. If the same # fails again, you know its the mag, not the gun. the numbers also help ID the mags all laying on the ground. You leave a trail of them as you march down range.

1911 mags. I took some closed foam pad and cut it to fit the bottom plate of pistol mags. This protects the mags when they hit the concrete range floor and also gives me a raised pad to push on to seat the mag. I glued the pads on with Dollar Store contact cement.

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Longshot338 said:
I finally got out to practice for CQB with Pvt. Pyles. We will be attending the TacticalTeacher CQB clinic in Petawawa in June. We were doing a couple drills to prepare for the clinic.

We stood 10yds from the target. We used a fig11 and fig14 target combo. 5 shots each target with carbines, transition to handguns, 5 shots each target.
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May I suggest mixing it up by you and your shooting partner loading each others mags with random ammo counts. That way you may fire 2 rounds with your rifle then have to transition to your pistol. Or fire 5 transition to a pistol fire 1 then do stoppage drills or whatever.
 
Was going to do this too. Too bad my work wouldn't cooperate.

Innavedaw said:
Yup...I am. Bringing the whole family with me too...they'll take any opportunity to go camping - and I get a weekend of shooting without anyone stuck at home...win-win.
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What's going on in this thread here, does more for Canadian gun rights than all the firearm's orgs combined. Can't wait till the next clinic! Good work, guys!
 
I think I'm in line to be the worst with the pistol. LOL. Man do I need some practice. Looking forward to things nontheless.

Take Barney's advice and bring lots of water. I've spent time on these ranges back in my reserve days and HOT is an understatement.

Looking forward to some good shooting fun and meeting some new people.

Hopefully the drive up on the Friday from Hamilton won't be too much of a bear. I anticipate a lot of cottage traffic.

Shoot straight - chrisco
 
I will be leaving the Guelph area approximately 0100 on the Saturday morning. My brother and I are too cheap to pay for 2 nights in a hotel if we don't have to. Should make traffic nicer as well.

Alec
 
doc25 said:
Stupid question here but why are you guys shooting 1911's. Is it mandatory or is there some advantage like power factor?
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Good taste?

I own a lot of pistols and have shot a number of different models in CQB. CQB is very, very different than the other pistol action sports because the mag only has 3 or 5 rounds in it. So a 7 shot 1911 is at no disadvantage.

The pistol is holstered with nothing in the chamber. So we draw and rack. So it does not matter if the pistol is single action only. When we go on aim, the pistol is cocked and ready to go.

What does matter is accuracy, a good trigger and good rapid fire accuracy. A 1911 is solid steel, so handles rapid fire recoil well and can be tuned for an excellent trigger, so I think a case can be made that the 1911 is the best gun for CQB.

I regularly use a Polish TT-33, a 1911 in 45, 9mm or 7.62x25, a M&P40, M&P45 and a CZ75. I have found my old eyes work best with a narrow fibre optic front sight for speed and accuracy.

This video shows the 5 shot per mag pistol stage. I am shooting a 1911 with an excellent trigger. The requirement is 5 head shots on each target.

When we shoot 3 shots per mag, we need 2 body shots and a head shot on each target. The head shot is difficult at 25 yards and without it, the body shots don't score. The 1911 worked well.

 
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I chose the 1911 for 3 reasons.

First of all, I have everything I will need to shoot 45ACP. 6000 primers, 4lbs of powder, 5000 projectiles, 2400pcs of brass, 2 sets of dies, etc... I have nothing for 9mm or 40S&W. Obvious choice to shoot 45ACP.

Secondly, I shoot the 1911 better than I do most other pistols. The slim grip and vertical angle of the grip fits my hands and preference. I obviously need practice when under a time constraint as I have posted previously, but I can shoot a 1911 quite well at deliberate fire out to 50m. The only handgun that I have ever shot better with is a Sig226 TacOps, and that would have cost me $1000 more than my Norc 1911, and that is discounting the money to reload a different caliber as well... I would rather spend that $1000 for rifle ammo components or battle webbing. This brings me to my third reason.

My Norc cost me under $400. $365 if I remember correctly. That included shipping. The internals were almost all replaced with Wilson Combat, Ed Brown, and Wolfe internals, many of which were match grade. They were included in the $365. Is my Norc a match grade handgun? By no means, don't make me laugh! It needs a lot of fitting of the frame and slide, polishing of almost every contact surface, refinishing, etc... But where else can you drop less than $400 and get a handgun that fits, has a sweet trigger pull, and can shoot well (as long as the nut pulling the trigger knows his stuff which I do not...)?

That's why I shoot a 1911. If you offered me a Glock or a M&P as a straight trade, I would turn you down regardless of value. Why? I can't hit the broadside of a barn with them if you locked me inside. A cheap chinese gun is more use to me because I can actually hit something with it...

Although I haven't shot SR CQB yet, I am fairly confident that if the handgun is center fire and can make a hole in a sheet of paper it is allowed. No power factor necessary.
 
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