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I've got a MP-5 in Baghdad (well I guess I gave it to BigRed) Its a nice SMG to go to the Px with...
I can tell a few stupid stories of people trying to relive the 70's and 80's in RIFLE country

kwonnypooh - I cant decipher half of whay your garbelled up there...
 
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Wow,

Can't believe what I've been reading.
When someone says,
1. Sterling is the best CQB weapon
2. Firing from the hip
3. Pistol chambered guns are better for CQB than 5.56
4. Then starts to advise everyone what current Special Operations Units are using

I don't need to pay attention to them anymore. They have satisfied me that they have no real world experience and have not bothered to keep up with changing technology and tactics.

P.S. Don't try spout off about what a Tier 1 SOF unit is using what unless you know someone on one of the teams personally or have trained with them (I do know several and have trained by the way). Telling someone what you have read holds no credibility.

Anyone who thinks that the Sterling (Ford Pinto) is superior to the HK MP5 (BMW) is mis-informed.
(The MP5 is a great weapon but does have a specific use and limitations. For those of us on limited budgets they are extreamly durable and last forever. And yes I have put several thousand K through on over the past 13 years of my current employment to know.)

The internet can be free entertainment.

Rich
 
Common we all know the thompson SMG is the best CQB weapon ever invented. It fires from a 50rd drum and makes jihadist sleep with the fishes or atleast wake up with a horses head.
 
BIG BILL,
I don't particularly care about what Kokalis said.

I have personally instructed Teenage Mutant Ninja Mall Wannabees [ aka 17 - 19 year old Infantry Milita kids ] on the SMG, using both the Sten and the Sterling.

The very first thing we did was set up 5 BIG Military sil targets at 15 yds
target .... space .... target .... space .....target .... space ... target ...
you get the idea.

Then, we give a loaded 28 rd mag to a trained infantry sergeant, and ask him to spray a long burst at the sils. Sounds great ... BRRRRrapppppp. All the TMNMW nearly come in their pants knowing they too will soon be doing this.

Guess what ...
when we go up to look at the targets, on a really good day, we might have maybe one or two hits.

Then Sarge engages all five targets on SEMI, with one quick shot at each target.

Guess what ...
five center of mass hits in about the same time it took to squeeze off a full mag of misses.

After that, we demonstrate SHORT CONTROLLED bursts.

Even the TeenageMutant Ninja Mall Wannabees got the point then ...
so why can't you?

And we won't even go into what a TMNMW looks like when a Sterling [ fires from the open bolt dontchaknow] is cocked, and the bolt dropped on a live round, and said TMNMW ends up dumping a full mag down range, at about a 45 degree angle skywards, while holding on to that cocking handle for dear life with one hand, and holding back the trigger with the other, too scared, and too stupid to stop till the "venerable well loved ol' Sterling runs dry".

Or how Ol sarge looks when bright eyes turns left, then turns right, on the range, holding his SMG at the hip, with a live round caught part way in, saying,
"anybody know how to clear a jam?"
Like I said, I've personally sent several THOUSAND rounds of 9 MM IVI ball down range through these weapons, and that is what I base my personal opinion on ... not what some gunwriter says.
This is called "credibility".

While I have many fond memories of the the "good ol' Sterling", I think that personally, I'd rather have my shorty AR.

Of course, as with any personal opinion expressed on the internet, your personal mileage may vary.

PS: having been a contributor to several mazgazines, I'll let you in on a little secret .... most writers are more interested in getting their article in on deadline, than they are in getting all the facts straight.
OK fine?

PPS: have you ever fired a Sterling yourself?
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More Stupid Guys

Hey buddies. How goes the fight against terrorism?

Unfortunately, I found another bunch of idiots who never heard the SMG is dead for close combat. Look at these clowns! They are Canadian Navy boarding teams, apparently the best such teams in the world. Won't they be embarrassed to learn their guns "ain't no good" in the words of their critics on this forum? Imagine how much better these guys would be, if they would only surf into this website to learn about guns?

By the way, all my critics are correct. I have never been in the Army and have never fired any FA weapons. But I know you all have, and are tough commando types, with beards and maybe even shaved heads! It is a wonder that you can all spare time away from your hostage rescue missions and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. Hopefully, if I read enough posts by Kevin B and his friends, I will learn all about war stuff and can join the team.

Can’t wait!


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The only reason the USMC Recon elements use the HK MP-5 is due to the bean counters. They were after shorty M4 carbines back in the late 90s and had gone through several years of budgetary requests in order to justify the acquistion of additional M4s. Since the Marine Corps's budget is administered through the Navy, they basically got screwed over until it reached a point that they were forced to go with the HK, since it was already in the system.

I dunno if you've ever fired an MP-5, but their tons of fun, but they're also pretty heavy for the job of firing a pistol caliber round. My Swiss Arms/CQB/SG 552 is also heavy, but it fires a 5.56mm RIFLE round in just as compact a package. At the same time, it allows me to engage targets out as far as 300M comfortably, while the MP-5 cannot. The same goes for my 11.5" short AR, although it is a fair bit lighter than the Swiss Arms.

For its day, the MP-5 was probably the best SMG of its kind. Accurate, robust and easy to shoot well. However, times change and there have been a number of wars since the MP-5 appeared on the scene in the 1970s. Iraq has required the US military to take a step back and reassess its urban combat training program and much of it has been completely revamped based upon real-world experience. If you mind to look at pictures coming from Iraq & Afghanistan, you'll see SF guys, contractors, etc...almost 99/100 armed with some sort of M4 or shorty AR variant.

Getting back to the Navy SEALs & Marines, the former adopted the MP-5 over 20 years ago, while the Marines didn't adopt until the late 90s.
 
My friend does a lot of CQB work. He says a shorty AK has better ergonomics and ballistics than the M4. He uses an MP5k on patrol with hollowpoint armor piercing arounds which he coats with KY to self lube the gun during extended firefights.

The results show: he's one like the last 5 airsoft wars we had in my backyard, and like Bigbill, he takes it up the ass.
 
Bigbill said:
Hey buddies. How goes the fight against terrorism?

Unfortunately, I found another bunch of idiots who never heard the SMG is dead for close combat. Look at these clowns! They are Canadian Navy boarding teams, apparently the best such teams in the world. Won't they be embarrassed to learn their guns "ain't no good" in the words of their critics on this forum? Imagine how much better these guys would be, if they would only surf into this website to learn about guns?

By the way, all my critics are correct. I have never been in the Army and have never fired any FA weapons. But I know you all have, and are tough commando types, with beards and maybe even shaved heads! It is a wonder that you can all spare time away from your hostage rescue missions and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. Hopefully, if I read enough posts by Kevin B and his friends, I will learn all about war stuff and can join the team.

Can’t wait!


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ENOUGH !

OK the MP5 is a tool used to secure ships boarded by the navy. we get it...

Its specific to its use (police, merchant ships AKA LOW THREATS .

AND IT HAS NO USE ON A BATTLE FIELD !!!!

GET it ?
 
And with that, I am IBTL.
Have a good time reading SOF buds.
Hoddie.

PS - I appologise to the guy who started this thread. I hope you have had your questions answered, eventhough this thread has been seriously jacked by a troll.
 
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And with that, I am IBTL.
Have a good time reading SOF buds.
Hoddie.

PS - I appologise to the guy who started this thread. I hope you have had your questions answered, eventhough this thread has been seriously jacked by a troll.
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HA! I had to go right back to page 1 and re-read the initial question since I completely lost track of WTF question was supposed to be getting sorted out for the fellow.
 
Bigbill said:
blablabla... They are Canadian Navy boarding teams, apparently the best such teams in the world. Won't they be embarrassed to learn their guns "ain't no good" in the words of their critics on this forum? Imagine how much better these guys would be, if they would only surf into this website to learn about guns?
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Wouldn't he be surprised to know that some of them are already on this forum, I personally know of one at least. They use both mp5's and c8's, and also shotties and sigs.

And hey, I've fired a FA sterling too, can I be in the club?
It was fun, but I won't even give an opinion on usage, because the closest I get to the sharp end of anything is the plastic knives during Op Starbucks, although I cut my hand pretty bad on a dog food container yesterday. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn express once.
 
RCMP ERT here have mp5sd and c8. depends on the job. i've been privy to both.
 
This thread is classic.

I much prefer my 10/22 on full auto. I can carry 3000 rounds of hollowpoint ammo in my paraclete and it is wayyyy more controlable than an MP5 -but only just with the compensator on it. Shooting from the hip of course...:pirate:
 
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