CQBR / Mk18 Mod1 Clone thread - Show us your clones!

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I haven't done the math for my builds, but after seeing this, I decided it's better not to know.
 
Mister Donut said:
Hahaha, I'd probably start with one of those 10.5" SAS IURs, but I need to figure out how I'm going to get one. I just bought the wife a new couch and she wants a dining set so I'm screwed with money now.

Apologies again for discussing this build in this thread, but I'm not balls deep enough to start a thread on it's own just yet.
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Hey why not go Hk416 brother. The gun that killed UBL.

The SAS is really nice though.
 
Stoner99 said:
Hey why not go Hk416 brother. The gun that killed UBL.

The SAS is really nice though.
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There's a 416 uppe rin EE for $8,500 and rising. Apparently the seller is increasing the price rather than apply price drop with every bump. $8,500 for an upper......that's some dedication to the black rifle which I don't have, lol!

Anyway, I've been going a little overboard with the US clones, time to do something Canadian :)
 
iloveak47 said:
do we have some guide lines to follow for building cansof clones? maybe i could go in that direction too
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I've only done some minor research, just scratch on the surface, but I haven't found anything consistent on how these things are issued, how many versions/gens there are, and to what extent customization has been taken as far as ones seen in the wild.

I'm guessing a good start point would be a 10.5 in IUR upper (no grenade launcher recoil lug), Allen Engineering barrel extension and 4 prong Smith Enterprises flash hider, along with a Colt Canada lower. After that, I can't really say for sure, lol!

If you start a thread, let me know, I'll come play in it :)
 
white_knight said:
What PEQ is that? It looks different
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That is the first version of the AN/PEQ 16. Before the PEQ16A & B. They call it the AN/PEQ-16 (IPIM) Integrated Pointer/Illuminator Module, NSN 5855-01-538-5521 (Insight part number - IPM-000-A1)
Super super rare!! If you find one I would expect to pay PEQ 15 LA-5 prices for it as it is a PEQ-15 with a light. Apparently it was adevertized with a 100 Lumen light that is actually somewhere between 60-70 Lumen. It was the only complaint about them. Insight made them in small numbers before they were able to fully release the PEQ-16A with the 125 Lumen L.E.D.. It would be a awesome find though!!!
 
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Mister Donut said:
There's a 416 uppe rin EE for $8,500 and rising. Apparently the seller is increasing the price rather than apply price drop with every bump. $8,500 for an upper......that's some dedication to the black rifle which I don't have, lol!

Anyway, I've been going a little overboard with the US clones, time to do something Canadian :)
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Christ, I only paid $5000 for a 416SF. Owned it for like 5 mins because some guy gave me $6500 for it.
 
Mister Donut said:
Nice...I've been humming and hawing over other clone builds too. Been thinking about a Blackhawk down 727 Carbine because of a few things I have in a spare parts bin, but I've also had an itch to build something Canadian inspired, something like this:

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Built a 723, my favourite clone.
 
Rebel Rouser said:
Christ, I only paid $5000 for a 416SF. Owned it for like 5 mins because some guy gave me $6500 for it.
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Pics or it didn't happen

In all fairness the HK416 was a direct correlation to the MK18 in that it filled some roles the MK18 couldn't do as well.
 
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Stoner99 said:
Pics or it didn't happen

In all fairness the HK416 was a direct correlation to the MK18 in that it filled some roles the MK18 couldn't do as well.
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It was never transfer to me, that's why I said I owned it for 5mins. Someone wanted it more than I did and and gave me $6500 for it after I paid $5000. It was transferred to the new owner. There was a handful of LE contract overruns that came available. There was also some for sale in the US on GB, along with some lowers.
 
white_knight said:
Well... it’s an AR so it’s already restricted so 18.5” is meaningless and as long as you update the cfo with the new barrel length for the registration. I don’t see how this is a problem even in Canada.
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In Canada a barrel can only be cut to 18.5”. Anything less than that has to be manufactured from scratch. Thats why you don’t see a bunch of home made 12.5” 870s

I do see it’s a US build so I’m sure the rules are different. I wish I could have a receipt with a suppressor tax stamp on it :-(
 
Rebel Rouser said:
It was never transfer to me, that's why I said I owned it for 5mins. Someone wanted it more than I did and and gave me $6500 for it after I paid $5000. It was transferred to the new owner. There was a handful of LE contract overruns that came available. There was also some for sale in the US on GB, along with some lowers.
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Whole rifle or just the upper?
 
lil_juiced_coupe said:
What gunsmith will cut a barrel to under 18.5”? That’s a no go.
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lil_juiced_coupe said:
In Canada a barrel can only be cut to 18.5”.
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You can cut a barrel to 457mm (17.99") before it becomes a prohib, not 18.5". 18.5" is the threshold for non-restricted/restricted for centerfire semi-autos.


white_knight said:
Well... it’s an AR so it’s already restricted so 18.5” is meaningless and as long as you update the cfo with the new barrel length for the registration. I don’t see how this is a problem even in Canada.
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If you cut to less than 457mm it becomes a prohib, regardless of the classification of the firearm the barrel is on. As lil_juiced_coupe says, anything shorter than 457mm must be manufactured at that length to be legal. Even cutting a 12.5" barrel to 10" results in a prohib, despite the barrel being below the 457mm limit to start with.

Yes, it's retarded beyond description.


Mark
 
mmattockx said:
You can cut a barrel to 457mm (17.99") before it becomes a prohib, not 18.5". 18.5" is the threshold for non-restricted/restricted for centerfire semi-autos.




If you cut to less than 457mm it becomes a prohib, regardless of the classification of the firearm the barrel is on. As lil_juiced_coupe says, anything shorter than 457mm must be manufactured at that length to be legal. Even cutting a 12.5" barrel to 10" results in a prohib, despite the barrel being below the 457mm limit to start with.

Yes, it's retarded beyond description.


Mark
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I've always bought firearms and parts in the size I want, so I never really looked too much into the regs regarding this. I understand that if we cut it down less than 457mm its prohib, and I’m guessing the same goes if you send it to a gunsmith to do.

So, if we somehow, by some miracle acquired one of the original CQBR uppers (14.5” M4 barrel chopped down to 10.3”), would it be prohib because the barrel was manufactured by Colt and cut down by Crane?

I understand irunguns periodically brings in interesting things once in a while, so I wonder how a scenario like that would be handled. Maybe the scenario I described is a bit far-fetched, but what if irunguns acquires a used clone build from the US, with a barrel manufactured from Colt, but cut down by ADCO? Would that be considered prohib?
 
Mister Donut said:
So, if we somehow, by some miracle acquired one of the original CQBR uppers (14.5” M4 barrel chopped down to 10.3”), would it be prohib because the barrel was manufactured by Colt and cut down by Crane?

I understand irunguns periodically brings in interesting things once in a while, so I wonder how a scenario like that would be handled. Maybe the scenario I described is a bit far-fetched, but what if irunguns acquires a used clone build from the US, with a barrel manufactured from Colt, but cut down by ADCO? Would that be considered prohib?
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First off, it's not that far-fetched (see below). Second, it would have to be reviewed by someone at the RCMP firearms lab and a determination made. If it is clearly documented that the barrel was cut after manufacture then it would most likely be declared prohib regardless of how insane that is.

Example #1:
A number of years ago the OPP (I think it was) had a number of pump action shotguns that they sold off to the public as surplus. Those shotguns had started life with 18" barrels and were cut down to 14" by police armourers. Some time after they sold them off to the public the RCMP determined that they were in fact prohibs due to the barrels being cut down (by agents of the crown, no less) and had to be turned in for destruction. I think they even wanted the entire gun, not just the barrels in question. Some people lost their shotguns over it and I am not sure how it all turned out in the end.

Example #2:
The CZ858 fiasco that resulted in the prohib declaration years after they were imported came about because the receivers were determined to have been 'converted autos'. What happened was the receivers were originally assembled into select fire rifles but never shipped anywhere by the OEM. They were then broken down back into spare parts and stored for some time. After this the OEM re-manufactured the receivers (by machining operations) to be semi only and built the semi 858's that came here. After much time the RCMP decided those rifles were converted autos because some time in the distant past they had existed as select fire rifles in storage. Essentially they were collections of parts on a shelf and never saw the light of day, but they were still evil full auto receivers and must be banned.

The basic lesson is to expect the stupidest, most unreasonable determination possible from the firearms lab, regardless of the actual circumstances.


Mark
 
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