CQBR / Mk18 Mod1 Clone thread - Show us your clones!
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I am curious who did the cutting.
84wh1
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Does attaching an AR15 barrel that has been cut below 457mm not make it prohibited??????
No. Changing out any barrel on an ar15 requires you to update your reg cert. within 30 days.
barrels come in all lengths. If you order one from the US that was cut to 10.3 from 14.5 does not make it prohibited. This entire arguement is stupid. And pretty soon guys are going to be flooding in here to argue over clumsily written text that was intended to prohibit guys from sawing off barrels to make them concealable.
84wh1
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I do agree that u are required to change your reg certificate however a cut barrel is not the same as replacing the barrel........If your statement is true (and I dont disbelieve u), can you direct me to some sources that verify your statement because they way I read the CC Prohib definition makes me think otherwise
According to the Criminal Code, a prohibited firearm is:
a handgun that
has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
is less than 660 mm in length, or
is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm
Like I said. Clumsily written. By this interpretation, changing out any barrel on an ar15 upper would be considered "any other alteration"
An ar15 barrel, alone, is not a registered part. Taking off a 16 inch barrel on a registered ar15, and replacing it with a 7.5, 10.5, 11.5, 12.5 does not make it prohibited. That barrel can be manufactured or modified in any way prior to being installed on an upper. A barrel is NOT a firearm. It is the firearm with a barrel that has to be adapted, (IE sawed off) to make a prohibited firearm.
84wh1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I get what your saying and all but the part of definition that makes me think otherwise refers to sawing, cutting...... Now cutting that barrel and installing on a completed rifle in my professional opinion would now classify that rifle as prohibited. This is different than installing a new short factory barrel. The "any other alteration" part of the definition is open to interpreattaion where as Cutting, sawing is clearly written.....
Undergiver
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The lower receiver is the only registered part so if you have one lower and 3 uppers with various barrel lengths. Then how can you register 3 barrel lengths on one receiver.
a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting OR any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
OR is the operative there. But this has all been argued ad infinitum. We won't get anywhere debating it more lol...
I will say the spirit of the law is clear. No altering a firearm to make it more concealable. Modular weapons with different barrels wasn't invisioned maybe....
Also cutting down an AR15 barrel is a mute point. Doing it with a hacksaw would prohibit it. A gun manufacturer or gunsmith though?
"Remanufacturing is the rebuilding of a product to specifications of the original manufactured product using a combination of reused, repaired and new parts. It requires the repair or replacement of worn out or obsolete components and modules"
And on a final note, where would this law end then? Barrels are cut down constantly by builders. Would Noveske be making prohib barrels because they cut down a PAC NOR 16" barrel to 10.5? Centurion arms only orders 16" barrels. Then cuts them down in house to 12.5, 14.5 etc. These barrels are not prohibited in Canada.
Show me a law that says someone cannot buy bulk 16 inch barrels and cut and thread them, change out the gas blocks etc as a business in Canada. You are not altering "firearms"
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Undergiver
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a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting OR any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
OR is the operative there. But this has all been argued ad infinitum. We won't get anywhere debating it more lol...
I will say the spirit of the law is clear. No altering a firearm to make it more concealable. Modular weapons with different barrels wasn't invisioned maybe....
Also cutting down an AR15 barrel is a mute point. Doing it with a hacksaw would prohibit it. A gun manufacturer or gunsmith though?
"Remanufacturing is the rebuilding of a product to specifications of the original manufactured product using a combination of reused, repaired and new parts. It requires the repair or replacement of worn out or obsolete components and modules"
And on a final note, where would this law end then? Barrels are cut down constantly by builders. Would Noveske be making prohib barrels because they cut down a PAC NOR 16" barrel to 10.5? Centurion arms only orders 16" barrels. Then cuts them down in house to 12.5, 14.5 etc. These barrels are not prohibited in Canada.
Show me a law that says someone cannot buy bulk 16 inch barrels and cut and thread them, change out the gas blocks etc as a business in Canada. You are not altering "firearms"
I believe if you have a manufacturing licence you can cut barrels down.
Yeah, for sure. Most AR guys do this. I was just pointing out, for guys who have 1 and change out an upper or barrel, and wish to reg is a complete firearm, this 30 day law would apply.
Exactly.
A gunsmith is a person who repairs, modifies, designs, or builds guns. ... A gunsmith does factory level repairs, renovation (such as applying metal finishes), and makes modifications and alterations for special uses.
Because, it was done a decent amount in the SOPMOD program to accommodate these rails. And I was building a clone of this exact thing, so mission accomplished.
Also, I'm pretty sure every barrel needs to be "cut down" during its manufacturing process to some degree or another. Gunsmiths are also able to do it AFAIK. This one was "re-manufactured" in the USA and then imported at 12.25".
Interesting, I hadn't heard of them cutting the barrels shorter with the FSP models, I'd only seen it on later models.
