Crap - missed out on a local lion hunt

One dude man Used 150 or 160gr Partitions i believe out of a 270winchester to Kill a Lion.

Depending how you were to hunt said creature, would determine calibre .

Examples. If im sitting in Safaris mans Vehicle driving around Poppin Lions I dont see why a 30-06 wouldnt Kill one.
Or 270.

If i was walking around or up a tree stand Id want to flog that Lions shoulders out completely... 338win mag.

Cheers ;)

WL
 
Superbrad said:
I hate zoos.... With a passion..... Animals caged up, not doing their natural thing so that the antis can observe them and say they saw one..... It's -4 Celsius here right now.... Many lions get subjected to that in the wild?......

So many people are anti hunting, yet willing to attend a zoo......
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I'm with Brad. Animals belong in the wild.
 
laurencen said:
what a waste, surely they could have shot him with a sedative, find it hard to believe they could not, you see it all the time on nature shows, they shoot the animal, take his blood and he's back in no time, guess not in Canada
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Yes, I always carry one, and I'm sure you do, too.
 
Papaclaude said:
As with everything else, there are pluses and minuses to every situation. yes, they are in captivity, but then, no predators, no illness, no starvation. Survival rate for young ones almost 20 times higher than in nature, life expectancy much longer. It's not all bad.
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Well, strictly speaking, if lions are in captivity...
 
TheTooner said:
Well, strictly speaking, if lions are in captivity...
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No hyenas after them, and so on. Also, no chance of getting gored, trampled, or otherwise killed while trying to get a meal. I'm not really in favour of "zoos". Parks, where they have room to roam are much more acceptable, but I was just pointing out that it's not necessarily all bad. I'm not sure that if they could talk, some of those critters might not prefer that easy life. If it really was all that intolerable, they'd always be trying to high-tail it out of the area.
 
I know a fellow that took his lion with a 270. Can't recall which country he was in, maybe Zimbabwe, not sure. But, he said at the shot, his cat launched straight up, then ran about 50 metres and dropped.

Double lung/heart shots seem to kill big cats as easily as a deer.
 
Superbrad said:
I hate zoos.... With a passion..... Animals caged up, not doing their natural thing so that the antis can observe them and say they saw one..... It's -4 Celsius here right now.... Many lions get subjected to that in the wild?......

So many people are anti hunting, yet willing to attend a zoo......
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Agree 100%. I hate zoos also.

We were at Sea World, in Florida, and they had Polar bears there. All the tourists were Oooing and Ahhing, and I looked at those fat, over-fed bears and just thought how sad an existence.

Stuck in prison basically. Pacing the edge of the glass, that never ever changes.

BUT... There are nature conservancies, (which is quite different from a zoo), where at least the animals are outdoors, with some freedom of movement, and those have proven very beneficial to some species, that would otherwise be extinct - the Scimitar Horned Oryx, being one such.

Ironically, they were talking about re-introducing them to their native African habitat, from a game farm in Texas... run by hunters. Hunters kept the species alive, while human expansion wiped them out in Africa. And the Lefties wrote it up as they were made extinct by sport hunting.
 
The zoo in question doesn't have cages or even pens.

All species have quite a large "paddock" type area.

Bison and gazelles each have areas about 1 1/2 acres for 5 or 6 animals. They do not look crowded at all IMO.

It's not the Serengeti, but it's not c block at Kingston Penn either.
 
the spank said:
I'm with Brad. Animals belong in the wild.
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Cleftwynd said:
Make that three of us.
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You're all wrong. Animals belong on my plate, next to the taters and coleslaw. ;-P




Seriously though, not arguing for or against zoos, but I wonder about the bigger picture, and the roles that (good) zoos play? Consider how many school groups tour through the Toronto zoo each year. How many kids are inspired to make choices that positively affect the animal kingdom? To preserve natural habitat etc. ? I wonder how many wide eyed kids look at the zoo animals and set their career goals then and there? I'd be willing to bet that a great number of today's wildlife biologists, conservationists, and so on first got their "spark" by visiting animals in a zoo, conservatory, canned safari, or the like.

I just wonder, thinking big picture here, if each species is better off "as a whole" because a small percentage of them are in captivity for human education, understanding, and yes, entertainment. Just a thought.


As "proof" (extra big quotation marks) of this, I'm sitting here looking at my kid's pile of children's books. Consider how animals were portrayed in early children's stories. The big bad wolf. Bears that are little girls. Lions that terrorized villages and so on. There were fewer educational zoos back then. Then look at today's children's books, and you'd be hard pressed to find one book that paints an animal in a negative light. Now, there's lots of zoos around... Coincidence??? I think not! That's some hard scientific sciencing science fact right there! Class dismissed. ;-p
 
kodiakjack said:
You're all wrong. Animals belong on my plate, next to the taters and coleslaw. ;-P




Seriously though, not arguing for or against zoos, but I wonder about the bigger picture, and the roles that (good) zoos play? Consider how many school groups tour through the Toronto zoo each year. How many kids are inspired to make choices that positively affect the animal kingdom? To preserve natural habitat etc. ? I wonder how many wide eyed kids look at the zoo animals and set their career goals then and there? I'd be willing to bet that a great number of today's wildlife biologists, conservationists, and so on first got their "spark" by visiting animals in a zoo, conservatory, canned safari, or the like.

I just wonder, thinking big picture here, if each species is better off "as a whole" because a small percentage of them are in captivity for human education, understanding, and yes, entertainment. Just a thought.


As "proof" (extra big quotation marks) of this, I'm sitting here looking at my kid's pile of children's books. Consider how animals were portrayed in early children's stories. The big bad wolf. Bears that are little girls. Lions that terrorized villages and so on. There were fewer educational zoos back then. Then look at today's children's books, and you'd be hard pressed to find one book that paints an animal in a negative light. Now, there's lots of zoos around... Coincidence??? I think not! That's some hard scientific sciencing science fact right there! Class dismissed. ;-p
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You bring up some excellent points. Also, zoos have directly contributed to saving several species from outright disappearance - I seriously doubt that pandas would still be around were it not for zoos. I believe some rhino populations were saved by breeding in captivity. I am not trying to say zoos are a good thing, but, as in everything else, they are not entirely bad, either
 
Demonical said:
Agree 100%. I hate zoos also.

BUT... There are nature conservancies, (which is quite different from a zoo), where at least the animals are outdoors, with some freedom of movement, and those have proven very beneficial to some species, that would otherwise be extinct - the Scimitar Horned Oryx, being one such.

Ironically, they were talking about re-introducing them to their native African habitat, from a game farm in Texas... run by hunters. Hunters kept the species alive, while human expansion wiped them out in Africa. And the Lefties wrote it up as they were made extinct by sport hunting.
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Demonical, literally yesterday when talking about heading back to South Africa for the summer I got asked if I wanted to hunt a Scimitar while we were over. I have never hunted any "exotics" and when possible I always try to hunt animals in their native habitat. The Scimitar is extinct in it's native habitat. If it weren't for the hunters going after them on private land they would truly be extinct ... sure changes a guys point of view from a conservation standpoint as to whether or not one should hunt them or not. I am sad but fully cognizant that this will likely become the only viable future for other game species as well as habitat decreases.
 
Gentlemen.........regarding the Scimitar horned oryx, they were in fact wiped out in their native habitat by hunting by the princes of the region. A Texas group of ranchers made a deal with the Saudi (I think, but could be wrong, it may have been Jordan) king and reintroduced 100 animals back to their original habit. A couple months later a couple of "princes" decided to go hunting, against the Royal decree, and wiped out the entire herd............Welcome to game management by the peoples of the Arabian peninsula.
They will never be successfully reintroduced to their native lands as long as these countries are kingdoms and there is no law or consequences for the offspring of the royalty.
For those of you wondering what a scimitar horned oryx looks like...............

 
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The former owner of the zoo in the OP was renowned for getting reluctant rare species to breed and was often shipped animals for that purpose. (Maybe he had a good #### collection that appealed to animals?? Dunno)

This is also the zoo that had one or two white lion cubs born. Michael Jackson offered two million dollars for one and was refused.

The owner was last in the news for nursing a troubled new born (zebra I think it was) in his house until the thing was quite large. Btw, the residence there is tiny. A zebra in there would make it very cozy.

I don't think all roadside zoos are bad or poorly run.

Scout troops camp on the grounds in summer. In a safe area.

I mentioned before about hearing lions etc roar at night. Must be a thrill for young campers.
 
Papaclaude said:
No hyenas after them, and so on. Also, no chance of getting gored, trampled, or otherwise killed while trying to get a meal. I'm not really in favour of "zoos". Parks, where they have room to roam are much more acceptable, but I was just pointing out that it's not necessarily all bad. I'm not sure that if they could talk, some of those critters might not prefer that easy life. If it really was all that intolerable, they'd always be trying to high-tail it out of the area.
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...and then they shot an escaped lion...just finishing my thought.
I don't disagree that they can be excellent facilities that really are well thought out. Preserves are a better environment for the animals.
 
laurencen said:
what a waste, surely they could have shot him with a sedative, find it hard to believe they could not, you see it all the time on nature shows, they shoot the animal, take his blood and he's back in no time, guess not in Canada
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Smokin idea, #### around until someone gets killed.
And for the math portion... $2 bullet or $20 million legal suit and the zoo is now an parking lot...bang.
 
C-fbmi, very nice! We have them in RSA as well and are huntable as well as self sustaining now. Non exportable to US hunters though, really takes a bite out of the market and funds for keeping them going. The conservation of game is still awful in North Africa. I hunted Barbary sheep in RSA last year when back there, not many of them left in there original native habitat either thanks to poor game management practices, but doing well in imported locales, once again thanks mostly to hunters.
 
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