Crimson Trace Lazer Grips... Gimmick?

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I mean can you see the red dot daytime, is it even worth it? Nothing beats training to use your sights, but there are well trained people endorsing this stuff. Has any of you tried them out at the range?
 
Can be an excellent training assist. Makes coaching easier.
We sometimes have low light/nightime matches. Very effective.
 
Can be an excellent training assist. Makes coaching easier.
We sometimes have low light/nightime matches. Very effective.

That's for sure. I was on the fence on these but one of the salesmen at Epps told me they will really improve your pistol shooting. You would never realize how much muzzle twitch you have until you see that lazer dot wiggling around on the target. I have one on my Ruger Mk III hunter and really like it....... Great training aid.
 
After reading a thread on an American board about someone who had put over 15k rounds through a gun wiith a Crimson Trace copy (made for airsoft); he had no problems. I purchase one myself in black from this seller:

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They are plastic not wood and I had to trim it a bit to fit the ambi safety and extended slide release on my gun. It fits great and works fine. It is adjustable to zero and holds zero.

I also think that they are a waste of time. If I had an application that could make use of it then maybe I might have a different opinion. Nifty gadget. Relatively useless for my application of making holes in paper. I am glad that I only spent $50 or so to figure this out rather than $200 plus for the real deal.
 
Until TDC chimes in this thread cant be done lol.


Thanks for the introduction!

I think they're mostly a gimmick. For starters, lasers point both ways, which means they can aid both parties involved if we're talking practical use. If you're talking about running one for fun or gaming, I really don't care. Second, if you can't align the sights(and naturally that means the bore/barrel) consistently without issue, the laser won't help that. Lasers when setup properly indicate the general area where a bullet should land if fired at that moment. They don't return to POA, nor do they compensate for poor form. They are useful for specific applications such as entry guys who run a shield, even though there are other options. Another proclaimed use is for adverse shooting positions. My take on that, is that if you can see it with your eyes, you can get the gun up to your line of sight and use the robust steel sights mounted to the gun.

Lasers are dependent on electronics and mechanical alignment to even be considered an asset. The bounce associated with lasers in use and the issues above make them all but useless for most. The price of a good unit is high and would be better spent on a white light, ammo, and training.

TDC
 
Thanks for the introduction!

I think they're mostly a gimmick. For starters, lasers point both ways, which means they can aid both parties involved if we're talking practical use. If you're talking about running one for fun or gaming, I really don't care. Second, if you can't align the sights(and naturally that means the bore/barrel) consistently without issue, the laser won't help that. Lasers when setup properly indicate the general area where a bullet should land if fired at that moment. They don't return to POA, nor do they compensate for poor form. They are useful for specific applications such as entry guys who run a shield, even though there are other options. Another proclaimed use is for adverse shooting positions. My take on that, is that if you can see it with your eyes, you can get the gun up to your line of sight and use the robust steel sights mounted to the gun.

TDC


I kinda felt the same. Was waiting for you to confirm it.
 
I kinda felt the same. Was waiting for you to confirm it.

No need to wait for my opinion to confirm. I say validate or invalidate it for yourself. "The mission drives the gear train." Meaning, some accessories are more useful in certain roles than others, and some not. "The situation dictates the tactics." Same basic meaning. Not every method is viable for every situation. Use what works and discard or rather file away the rest.


TDC
 
No need to wait for my opinion to confirm. I say validate or invalidate it for yourself. "The mission drives the gear train." Meaning, some accessories are more useful in certain roles than others, and some not. "The situation dictates the tactics." Same basic meaning. Not every method is viable for every situation. Use what works and discard or rather file away the rest.


TDC

for the price, ill stick to my stock night sights. Thats where its all at anyhow. Hows the G17 rtf2 working? Never mind its a glock, it just works lol.
 
If ball busting is your thing, who am I to stop you. Oh, and its you're not your. ;) I will admit, lasers are fun to play with but the novelty doesn't outweigh the negatives or the cost.

TDC

Ya have never owned a lazer, as i dont want to rely on it. I do have a surefire x300 ultra. But its just the light.
 
Never tried one, but if the laser were high-quality it could work.

With that said, I bought a laser bore sight once and tried to use it at the range in the daytime. I threw the junk in the garbage after realizing the dot couldn't be seen past 10m (in daylight). Were they expecting people to sight-in in the dark?
 
How do you like the X300? have you tried it outside for distance?

TDC

No i havnt. Just received it, its 500 lumens compared to 200 in the X300. Its quite bright, but its more of a novelty, as i cant legally shoot in the dark.

If you want one the X300 Ultra goes for 345 bux, thats shipping and taxes. I bought mine from Daves Surplus and Tactical.
 
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