Cross Bows in a Early Bow Season?

...however still believe the ease and stance of holding a cross bow still takes away from the amount of practice ethical hunters spend practicing well thought and safe shots.
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As hunters we are obliged to kill game as quickly and humanely as possibly.

I would argue that the crossbow has the advantage over the recurve or compound in that with less practice one can become more very proficient with it than the other two.

After all we are talking hunting not target practice.
 
I think the OP should pick a different topic and stop splitting the hunting groups into finer and finer genres.
I will soon be segregated to the Male, Under-50, Crossbow, Early Season, north facing tree-stand only hunting group. I just want to be known as a hunter.
 
Those against it pretend it's because it's easier to harvest with a xbow and therefore takes kills away from the tougher to shoot verticals. (which when you consider it for a second, is actually pretty ridiculous.)
But the real reason is because they believe it somehow taints the "purity" and "beauty" of their time honoured traditional choices.

One more thing, modern compound bows with their pulleys, fiber optic sites and string releases, are as far from your recurves as xbows are.
 
Cricket said:
Pudelpointer - I am, and have being doing research on this topic but thank you for your concern. The idea behind this paper is to create controversy within the class. I put the post on here to see what fellow hunters feel about this subject. This paper I am doing has factual points along with peoples experiences and personal opions.

I am against it for a few reasons but think that everyone are making valid points.
I was raised in a traditional recurve area most of my hunting mentors are recurve shooters and compound men and women. I am not very familiar with cross bows but have shot quit a few on 3d courses and I enjoy the sport. I believe that shooting a cross bow increases your range from traditional bows and increases the success rate making cross bows a advantage over the people that shoot traditional bows like myself. With new technologies in compound bows I found that the statistics between some cross bows and compound bows are very similar; however still believe the ease and stance of holding a cross bow still takes away from the amount of practice ethical hunters spend practicing well thought and safe shots.

This assignment in school must be controversial and create a debate within the class. I am testing my subject on line here because there are more hunters here than in class. I am not trying to step on anybody's toes and apologize if someone is taking this to heart it is suppose to be a "fun" debate.

Cheers,
Crick
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So because you decided not to go with higher technology, that means that no-one else should be allowed to use it? Should we ban range finders and carbon arrows too?? Welcome to the 21st century!

My main bow of choice and use is a PSE Coyote recurve with 45lb limbs btw...but my 12 year old son shoots a Horton Yukon crossbow for several reasons.

1) His arms are too long for a youth poundage bow
2) 40lb draw weight is a little too much for his lanky arms to draw and hold without spooking anything, let alone holding on target.

So the crossbow was the logical solution. We still have to do all the same things as vertical bow hunters in order to be successful.

You must be the same type that thinks that semi-autos arent hunting rifles, and only your grandpa's .303 is capable of taking a deer.

Join the rest of us in embracing OUR sport. No one is asking you to like crossbows, just don't be anti crossbow.
 
Seems like the general consensus is pretty clear... and it seems like provincial regulations are heading that way. Ontario has had crossbow legal in bow season for a while now, Quebec just made it legal last year I believe. To address the point about needing more practice with one than the other, there are separate permits to hunt with a bow or crossbow in Quebec, but they share the same season. The bow permit requires a practical accuracy test, the crossbow permit requires no practical test.

Alberta, on the other hand, is way behind the curve. Crossbows were just permitted for use during the RIFLE season last year, before they were illegal for use at all! Hopefully they will be allowed for archery season soon.

Red
 
arcstarter said:
In my opinion crossbows are just a way for the rifle hunters to get out earlier and it takes very little skill to aim and pull the trigger at 40yds, when you have to pull back 65-70lbs and hold steady it takes a lot of skill to hit what your aiming at and that I consider real bow hunting.

If you want to use a crossbow go ahead but do it during rifle season
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in my opinion rifle shooters shouldn't be allowed to hunt at all because it takes very little skill to aim and pull the trigger at 100 yards




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Here we go again. When I was younger and could pull a traditional bow and when I made my own traditional arrows from wood I picked out in the woods and made my own arrow heads out of rocks I agreed. Being a true traditional hunter I also wore clothing and shoes using traditional methods from game I killed.
Now I can't pull a traditional bow or a compound so I use a xbow. Sorry.
I guess the 40 years hunting with a bow in the archery season is tough luck to be me since now I have to hunt in the gun season if I have to use a xbow. Nice.
 
arcstarter said:
In my opinion crossbows are just a way for the rifle hunters to get out earlier and it takes very little skill to aim and pull the trigger at 40yds, when you have to pull back 65-70lbs and hold steady it takes a lot of skill to hit what your aiming at and that I consider real bow hunting.

If you want to use a crossbow go ahead but do it during rifle season
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Why should it be restricted to rifle season? Modern compounds with their 80% let-off are just as easy to shoot as x-bows...should they be restricted to rifle season too??

I can hold a 50lb bow with 80% let-off all day, and not be shakey at all. How is this different than a x-bow? A bow is a bow...it uses energy stored in limbs to fire an arrow. The release mechanism should have no bearing on the definition of what or what's not a bow.

Thats like saying you can only use iron sites cuz a scope makes it too easy.
 
each have their pros and cons,i am not against crossbows at all. this discussion is just causing problems and dividing us. we are hunters and should stand together, the anti's want us to fight amongst our selves, lets not give them what they want.
 
we have already abused this subject and each other in the archery forum & the later part pisses me off.It kills me to read how the compound shooters howl about xbows. wasn't that long ago that the "purest" stick bow shooters were saying compounds should only be in the gun season as they have sights a trigger & mech. advantage.can we stop beating this dead horse pls? Maximun ETHICAL hunting distances for xbows is 40 yrds.So what were realy using is our knowledge of woodcraft & hunting skills to get there.once there does anyone realy believe how we let the bolt/ arrow go make any difference?
someone has a sig. line that says "where brothers in that we shoot ,not what we shoot or where . I like that line.
the antis are monitering ALL forums like this.they have said so in press releases.lets keep it civil & support each other.
I make & shoot Welsh longbows,recurves,take-down recurves.neanderthal bows(holmegarrd,mear-heath,ect.)
i shoot 70lbs compounds PSE. & carbons
i make and shoot crossbows (15 years studying under Robin Allen @ the Crossbowmansden. R.I.P. Rob)
I am FOR archery .
 
BC has allowed crossbows in bow seasons for a very long time and there hasn't been any negative repercussions.

Only reason to not allow crossbows is snobbery, plain and simple.
 
arcstarter said:
In my opinion crossbows are just a way for the rifle hunters to get out earlier and it takes very little skill to aim and pull the trigger at 40yds, when you have to pull back 65-70lbs and hold steady it takes a lot of skill to hit what your aiming at and that I consider real bow hunting.

If you want to use a crossbow go ahead but do it during rifle season
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Well aren't you just our own special Robin Hood!!!

Bravo...bravo...
 
target archers back up untill they miss, bowhunters get as close as they can and never miss. goes for both cross and compound bows. and as broahead67 said, this topic has been beaten to death. a bowhunter is a bowhunter no matter what bow they choose.
 
So what you are trying to say is this:
Because someone has a home, a wife, kids, a full-time, 5 day a week job, overtime on weekends, cannot find time to practice due to sports and other events etc. That I should not be allowed to hunt in the same hunting season as you with a crossbow, just because you have more time on your hands to train with a re-curve or compound? This is complete ludicrous ideology at it's finest, we are all supposed to be sportsmen and hunters and one big outdoors family.

Sounds to me like someone with a crossbow got to shoot the deer you wanted to shoot before your actual outdoor ability enabled you to.

A topic like this raised to the public cannot bring on debate because the general public (your classmates) have no actual value or impact on a final outcome. Only we as the ones whom hunt and are outdoors men have an impact, and when we fight amongst each other it shows weakness. I for one am willing to fight for anything that gives us more time and hunting opportunity to do the things in life we love the most.

Now why would we fight to take away that right?
 
No matter what anyone says the effective range of a crossbow is essentially the same as any other bow. Once you shoot one you will understand that. So if they are essentially the same weapon, why regulate the hunters instead of regulating the game? What I mean is: if sustainable harvest of certain numbers of game animals is the goal, then why regulate the hunter's chosen methods of harvest? I understand separating the seasons so archers have undisturbed game, but to me an arrow is an arrow and just because a crossbow LOOKS more lethal does not make it so.
 
I never said a crossbow looks more lethal its just more like a rifle with the scope and trigger assembly. I've shot Traditional, Compound, and Crossbow and I like them all, It's just my own opinion and you guys don't have to get your panties in a bunch over what one guy says. The effective ranges of all bows are essentially the same. What I meant to say is give the traditional and compound hunters a bit earlier season because it is harder to use them and be stealthy then it is to raise a crossbow and pull the trigger.
 
I would argue that it's the other way around. With modern compound bows, sophisticated sighting systems, trigger string release mechanisms, bows have a higher rate of fire than crossbows, due to ease of reloading. Crossbows are actually MUCH harder to use than horizontals bows if a second shot is needed. The stealth aspect is identical.

arcstarter said:
I never said a crossbow looks more lethal its just more like a rifle with the scope and trigger assembly. I've shot Traditional, Compound, and Crossbow and I like them all, It's just my own opinion and you guys don't have to get your panties in a bunch over what one guy says. The effective ranges of all bows are essentially the same. What I meant to say is give the traditional and compound hunters a bit earlier season because it is harder to use them and be stealthy then it is to raise a crossbow and pull the trigger.
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