CRPS Options- upgrade my 10/22, upgrade my CZ452, buy a Ruger Precision Rimfire ?????
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I'm impressed by the results that Josh at the Pursuit of Accuracy YouTube channel gets with his Lilja barrelled CZ 457. He's installed a good barrel, adjusted headspace, and done lot testing with high-quality ammo. With that, he seems to be getting some very impressive performance out of the rifle which costs much less than an equivalent Vudoo, Rim-X, Ultimatum, etc. He's even getting excellent reliability too.
So, I'm not so sure that the high-end 700-footprint rimfire rifles are necessarily that superior over all the other designs out there when they're properly set up.
So, I'm not so sure that the high-end 700-footprint rimfire rifles are necessarily that superior over all the other designs out there when they're properly set up.
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Some barrels shoot, some don't regardless of the brand or cost. Does every Vudoo shoot the same? Doubt it.
would I bet that every Bergara rifle will outshoot a custom rifle, of course not. Can a random rifle do great... sure. Not sure why that would be such a radical thought...
If you are lucky enough to find a good combo, enjoy. if not, change the bits that matter and make it shoot well.
Jerry
would I bet that every Bergara rifle will outshoot a custom rifle, of course not. Can a random rifle do great... sure. Not sure why that would be such a radical thought...
If you are lucky enough to find a good combo, enjoy. if not, change the bits that matter and make it shoot well.
Jerry
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Correct.... You just have to visit a few matches to see that mega dollar rifles do not dominate the podium. I would be curious what had been on the podium in 2021 across Canada. I would take a guess that the winniest action in the ON series were CZ's...?????
I know in 2018, 2019 and 2020 in BC and AB, a number of CRPS matches were topped by rifles other then mega dollar customs. Not saying a high end custom can't get you there, more that it doesn't ensure the win.
The CRPS western championships are going on this weekend... be interesting to see what is in the top 10.
And there are no shortage of 'rem based' customs fighting with set up woes.
Jerry
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Thanks... for me, the 'fancy part' to test would be a barrel tuner. It has been an eye opener for me. Not always needed but when it helps... wowza, it helps.
Action (and mag) just has to get the ammo to the chamber and make it go bang and then get it out of the action... and that is problematic enough
Jerry
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Timely... 16:10... says it all
And CZ is a controlled feed action. In fact, I have yet to see a rimfire that wasn't
Jerry
Timely... 16:10... says it all
And CZ is a controlled feed action. In fact, I have yet to see a rimfire that wasn't
Jerry
If you have yet to see a rimfire rifle that wasn't controlled feed, you don't know much about them.
He was running a Tuna Can as well.
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Well elighten us... which current manf rimfire is a push feed action?
Jerry
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Anschutz is one. So is any Walther, FWB, Winchester, or Remington with a loading tray. That is to say, single shot .22LR rifles are invariably push feed.
What may confuse readers like yourself is that many magazine-fed repeaters are really controlled round push feed. For example, while the Bergara B14 R is often described as a controlled round feed rifle, the Bergara website itself describes the rifle as "push feed". h ttps://www.bergara.online/en/rifles/rimfire-series/b14r-carbon-rifle/ This rifle is in fact an example of controlled round push feed.
Mike Bush, creator of the Vudoo rifles, explains it
See post #21 here h ttps://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1212169&page=2
It's possible to show step-by-step images of the loading process of various repeaters that are often confused for CRF but are more appropriately called controlled round push feed, but this is not the place. Suffice it to say that it's a mistake to say that all rimfires are controlled round feed. Many that may appear to be controlled feed are in fact controlled round push feed. Single shots, as Bush notes, are generally push feed.
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Fine... but given the context of this post, we don't use single feed actions in this game.
I know much has been made about CRF in a Vudoo.... I am simply pointing out that ALL mag fed rimfires are CRF with some actions doing a very nice job of handling the tasks. If shooters want to debate the 'amount' of CRF, have at it... that level of minutia is not worth my time to worry about it.
My simple description to new shooters - close the bolt and as the cartridge is picked up and enters the chamber, can you reverse direction and the cartridge be 'controlled' by the bolt (ie rim of case is now under the extractors) and thus CRF... or do you need to fully close and cycle the bolt handle BEFORE you can eject the rd (rim is NOT under extractors until the bolt is fully closed) and thus push feed.
About as basic a description I can make and all that anyone needs to know to separate CRF and Push feed. Not sure how you could have a partial CRF?
Now some will hear about how a CRF makes it 'impossible' to close the bolt if you have to single load/drop a cartridge into the chamber without using the mag. There might be one or two custom actions that have this issue.... for this game, you need to able to close that bolt no matter how the ammo is introduced to the chamber. All popular factory actions common to rimfire prs WILL close on a single fed rd.
And then we circle right back to the mags... where all success and failures start.
to have a competitive CRPS rifle, it must feed 100%... YMMV
Jerry
I know much has been made about CRF in a Vudoo.... I am simply pointing out that ALL mag fed rimfires are CRF with some actions doing a very nice job of handling the tasks. If shooters want to debate the 'amount' of CRF, have at it... that level of minutia is not worth my time to worry about it.
My simple description to new shooters - close the bolt and as the cartridge is picked up and enters the chamber, can you reverse direction and the cartridge be 'controlled' by the bolt (ie rim of case is now under the extractors) and thus CRF... or do you need to fully close and cycle the bolt handle BEFORE you can eject the rd (rim is NOT under extractors until the bolt is fully closed) and thus push feed.
About as basic a description I can make and all that anyone needs to know to separate CRF and Push feed. Not sure how you could have a partial CRF?
Now some will hear about how a CRF makes it 'impossible' to close the bolt if you have to single load/drop a cartridge into the chamber without using the mag. There might be one or two custom actions that have this issue.... for this game, you need to able to close that bolt no matter how the ammo is introduced to the chamber. All popular factory actions common to rimfire prs WILL close on a single fed rd.
And then we circle right back to the mags... where all success and failures start.
to have a competitive CRPS rifle, it must feed 100%... YMMV
Jerry
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I concur after having built a rifle from a T1x (IBI barrel, KRG Bravo chassis etc). The T1x mags suck to be honest and 2 of the 5 I have cause feeding problems.
Were I to build another it would be from a 457 (I have 2 x 455's but like the bolt throw of the 457)
Jerry, after declaring that you "have yet to see a rimfire that wasn't [controlled round feed]", you asked "which current manf rimfire is a push feed action?"
An explanation was given. Single shots, regardless of where they're used, are push feed. Many of the alleged controlled round feed rifles are actually controlled round push feed.
Even when you don't like the answer, given your growing pecuniary interest in rimfire shooting -- limited as it may be to some form of Rimfire Precision shooting -- it ought to be better to get things right even if you don't like the answer or are not yet familiar with controlled round push feed. The fact that popular PRS actions will close on a single-fed round doesn't in itself make them controlled round feed.
That seems to be a tie point between the 10/22 and the Ruger Precision Rimfire since they both use that mag.
But then the RPRF only exists as a Ruger product, while the 10/22 has that or various third-party offerings from people like Dlask, Grey Birch, and Spectre, or Volquartsen down south.
I could probably also meditate on whether my hand working a bolt is as consistent as a semiauto cycle.
Then in this game do I want to go "SAFE!" everytime I change positiion or just keep remembering to pull the bolt before I move and not rechamber until afterward? Everything I have to think about is that much less time to think about everything else that should happen before the RO calls "Time!"
Failure to feed when the round comes up at too much of an angle into the chamber. This seems to be a 'known' problem with both the 22LR and 17HMR (my hunting buddy has a 17). Some people have done some mods on the ejector wire.
From what I have read on a couple of other sites ref this issue Beretta knows about it and it is one reason the Left hand T1x has not been released - they are waiting to sort out the mags first.
http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1198249
http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1187099
http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1194577
http s://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1204915
I really love the rifle but based solely on the mag/FT feed on occasion I would use another receiver next time, probably the 457 for the short lift bolt like the T1x has.
I know Jerry and another friend of mine who shot with Jerry last year are doing awesome with semi's FWIW.
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