Crusader Arms Crypto

scianna54 said:
You don't need approval from the RCMP to manufacture a NR firearms in Canada if you have a manufacturing license. Crusader Arms followed C21, it does not matter what you can do with some CAD files or what not.

"Try to lay a charge on the manufacturer" - what are you smoking?

The upper and lower receiver are not compatible with AR15, the magazines are proprietary.
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The HK MR223 upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the rcmp considers them to be a variant. The ATRS modern sporter upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the RCMP considers them a variant. It was not a smart move on the manufacturer to produce the crypto for domestic commercial sale. Kind of a no-brainer that the RCMP SFSS would classify the crypto as a variant.

DaveMachine said:
The guy has dealt directly with the SFSS, he probably has no clue what he's talking about.
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😂😂😂

nbd said:
I had some fun ideas for a home project but that licensing thing quickly killed it :(
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Do it! It really isn’t that complex, it just takes time and effort, and a little bit of money. Once you jumpy through the hoops it’s about $350/yr. Basically the cost of a golf membership, but wayyyyy more value haha. I’ll happily help answer any questions, or point people in the right direction if anyone needs help getting a manufacturing business licence.
 
b-wingpilot said:
The HK MR223 upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the rcmp considers them to be a variant. The ATRS modern sporter upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the RCMP considers them a variant. It was not a smart move on the manufacturer to produce the crypto for domestic commercial sale. Kind of a no-brainer that the RCMP SFSS would classify the crypto as a variant.


😂😂😂


Do it! It really isn’t that complex, it just takes time and effort, and a little bit of money. Once you jumpy through the hoops it’s about $350/yr. Basically the cost of a golf membership, but wayyyyy more value haha. I’ll happily help answer any questions, or point people in the right direction if anyone needs help getting a manufacturing business licence.
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i probably wont pursue it but id love to know the steps costs and time involved to make it legal. aside from incorporating a business, that part ive done a few times.
 
b-wingpilot said:
The HK MR223 upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the rcmp considers them to be a variant. The ATRS modern sporter upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the RCMP considers them a variant. It was not a smart move on the manufacturer to produce the crypto for domestic commercial sale. Kind of a no-brainer that the RCMP SFSS would classify the crypto as a variant.


😂😂😂


Do it! It really isn’t that complex, it just takes time and effort, and a little bit of money. Once you jumpy through the hoops it’s about $350/yr. Basically the cost of a golf membership, but wayyyyy more value haha. I’ll happily help answer any questions, or point people in the right direction if anyone needs help getting a manufacturing business licence.
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Hmmm . Once the other prototype is done on project X...

Your inbox is full too
 
b-wingpilot said:
The HK MR223 upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the rcmp considers them to be a variant. The ATRS modern sporter upper and lower receivers are not compatible with the AR15, and the RCMP considers them a variant. It was not a smart move on the manufacturer to produce the crypto for domestic commercial sale. Kind of a no-brainer that the RCMP SFSS would classify the crypto as a variant.
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Well, lab also considers Blaze-47 a variant of AK, and I would not be surprised if an AK-shaped bottle of vodka is also classified as prohibited by lab. Also lab was caught numerous times of backpedalling classification, manipulating with records, etc. Which leads us to the conclusion - we're dealing with delulu and we can't rely on any logic or laws.
Kudos to manufacturer for doing this, I haven't bought it only because it did not pass my minimal QC requirement. We, as a community, should be attacking government and lab in all kind of creative ways, because legal ways pursued by CCFR is just another delulu.
 
As for the HK MR223 if a German engineer tells me it can’t be converted to full auto/etc vs the RCMP lab. I believe the German engineer as they are so anal retentive when they design something and state that it will do X or Y or Z or will not do X, Y or Z. They mean it.
 
R711 said:
As for the HK MR223 if a German engineer tells me it can’t be converted to full auto/etc vs the RCMP lab. I believe the German engineer as they are so anal retentive when they design something and state that it will do X or Y or Z or will not do X, Y or Z. They mean it.
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Saying it CAN'T be done is a very foolish statement. This actually is a pretty good reason why we need better, clear definitions in the firearms act.

I present:
A full auto Lee Enfield. (New Zealand apparently thinks outside the box)
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scianna54 said:
You don't need approval from the RCMP to manufacture a NR firearms in Canada if you have a manufacturing license. Crusader Arms followed C21, it does not matter what you can do with some CAD files or what not.

"Try to lay a charge on the manufacturer" - what are you smoking?

The upper and lower receiver are not compatible with AR15, the magazines are proprietary.
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He’s a manufacturer, I’m sure he knows more than most on here about the laws and the shenanigans of the RCMP lab after submitting more than a couple of firearms for classification. What does it matter that #### is proprietary? Those azz clowns 🤡 have determined that the Mossberg 715 is an AR-15 variant!

According to the lab they didn’t manufacture a NR, they made an AR variant. I assume they didn’t submit it to the lab because they didn’t want to chance a ruling. Pretty naive (willful ignorance?) to not verify before making a major investment.

As for what he’s smoking, what they did is against the law if the lab is correct and they’ve been making prohibs. Weapons trafficking, CCC 99 (1), and possession of computer data CCC 102.1 (1) are two charges they could use. So yes, it does matter what you can do with some CAD files.
 
ATRS Shaun said:
Saying it CAN'T be done is a very foolish statement. This actually is a pretty good reason why we need better, clear definitions in the firearms act.

I present:
A full auto Lee Enfield. (New Zealand apparently thinks outside the box)
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But those are done by shops that have the tools and necessary knowledge, recall the words of being easily converted vs having the access to tools like your shop has. If I’m recalling it right it supposed to be easily converted, and if a German engineer states that it can’t be easily converted I’ll believe them vs the RCMP firearms examination. If the case of being converted then a block of aluminum should be banned as it can be converted to a full-auto firearm.
 
Leg said:
He’s a manufacturer, I’m sure he knows more than most on here about the laws and the shenanigans of the RCMP lab after submitting more than a couple of firearms for classification. What does it matter that #### is proprietary? Those azz clowns 🤡 have determined that the Mossberg 715 is an AR-15 variant!

According to the lab they didn’t manufacture a NR, they made an AR variant. I assume they didn’t submit it to the lab because they didn’t want to chance a ruling. Pretty naive (willful ignorance?) to not verify before making a major investment.

As for what he’s smoking, what they did is against the law if the lab is correct and they’ve been making prohibs. Weapons trafficking, CCC 99 (1), and possession of computer data CCC 102.1 (1) are two charges they could use. So yes, it does matter what you can do with some CAD files.
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I think you are correct for the most part. The propriety magazines were mentioned because they are limited to 5 rounds as outlined in C21.

I am not sure what CA did was against the law, I think you are jumping to conclusions - but it was certainly foreseeable that the crypto would not get a pad on it's shoulder - eventually. I doubt anybody will get charged - but as I read into your posts, you seem rather emotional about this, maybe some owners will too and act accordingly. Nothing will come out of this, other than happy lawyers.

We were all waiting for it and it is a surprise that this did not happen on Dec 6 of last year - instead they banned some oldies like the Rasheed for example.

The popos just do what they've been told. Don't expect anything conclusive or logically from them. Ask Shawn from ATRS.
 
R711 said:
But those are done by shops that have the tools and necessary knowledge, recall the words of being easily converted vs having the access to tools like your shop has. If I’m recalling it right it supposed to be easily converted, and if a German engineer states that it can’t be easily converted I’ll believe them vs the RCMP firearms examination. If the case of being converted then a block of aluminum should be banned as it can be converted to a full-auto firearm.
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I'm saying this in jest, but are you not familiar with why 80% lowers were prohibited, even prior to may 1 2020? Cuz they said it was as likely to be an M16 as an AR15. So yeah, literally blocks of aluminum. The whole thing is a stupid system trying to accomplish stupid goals.

Yes, you are correct the word in the law is 'easily converted' if I recall.



Seperate from that reply; I think a lot of people should re-watch the Q&A with Crusader Arms with the benefit of hindsight now. I personally think Ian Runkle's 'assessment' is extremely optimistic and ignores the legal liability C.A. is potentially open to.

 
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