Curiosity - polarized opinions on Glocks?

gunasauras said:
Yikers Stevo, mellow out dude, why so defensive? Me thinks you took that completely wrong......awesome to see the younger generation getting involved too BTW, kudos on you!
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I'm just not a fan of being called a liar after providing pictures and confirmation.

It's the internet. What did I expect?:kickInTheNuts:f:P:2:
 
Stevo said:
I'm just not a fan of being called a liar after providing pictures and confirmation.

It's the internet. What did I expect?:kickInTheNuts:
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Interpretation is a ##### on the internet isn't it? I fail to see where he called you a liar there personally. Regardless, this medium is sometimes emotionless.....have a good one bud. :)
 
Don't worry he is like that in real life too, and yeah it's a Glock...

As for Glocks you can't go wrong with them. Still trying to love my Glock 22 more than my Kimber tho...
 
I'm mostly a 1911 guy but I had a Glock and I'm getting another. The difficult thing I find with Glocks is shooting them well sideways.
 
The kid shooting the Glock picture in question has a simple explaination. The slide is just beginning to move rearward out of battery because the kid just shot as the cameras shutter caught the image. Got it? Yes it looks kinda like a hammer but I looked twice because I thought it was a MAGIC BUTTON. It was just a opening slide.

http://www.strategypage.com/military_videos/military_photos_20054221.aspx

But these are prohibited in Canada.
 
1GLOCKAHOLIC said:
Listen everybody needs to own a glock at one time or another, so just go get yourself one, quit procrastinating. For 1) they are easy to care for with the least amount of parts,2) tons of optional upgrades,3) mags are relatively inexpensive,4) and lots of people love them,5) there easy to sell if you don't like it.
The way I see it is guns are like ###, you need to shoot a bunch of different guns before you find the one that fits the best for you, and even then sometimes you get sick of the same gun and divorce it, or possibly trade it in for a younger one, and others like to have multiples guns, because playing with the same gun sometimes gets a little boring. Some of like large calibre guns and some of us like compact guns but for me personally I like the low maintenace type of guns and that is why I choose glocks.
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You've got my vote brother, I agree every shooter should own a Glock at some point. I have a G17 and I like it, funny thing is it is not a better gun than the CZ and M9 which I sold while back, But Glock does has something different that make you like it or hate it.

Trigun
 
Damn I forgot to mention how awesome it was to see a picture of a youngster shooting in competition. And he looks like he has good form and some athletic ability.

Kudos to you Stevo.
 
Glock 17 was first 9mm I owned, I sold it shortly after as way back then, I didn't manage the light frame very well.

I currently own a Glock 19 3rd gen. It runs with even anemic American Eagle 115 gr. ammo that sometimes doesn't give enough recoil to run the really tough spring on my HKP2000 that's rated for 9mm NATO ammo.

The one thing I don't like about the Glock is it's grip angle and the hump in the grip which for me doesn't allow me to align my finger for most controlled pull. As I result, I just can't shoot it as well as my HK P2000 or my 1911. I may try to import a grip reduced Glock from Bowie Tactical Concepts.

Parts for Glock are also easy to get, and it's easier to detail strip than my HK. Only my 1911 9mm has similar ease of parts replacement and detail stripping.
 
G17 goes bang, hits what I am aiming for, I don't worry about finish wear and tear, goes bang every time, I even use a NY2 8lb trigger on it, goes bang every time and is accurate, it has seen thousands of rounds & still looks new, and it goes bang every time.

That's why rapper like it so much, it's easy to rhyme with glocks... bang bang bang chick chick chick bang bang bang.
 
Stevo said:
If he can shoot a Glock well, anyone can:
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How large are his hands? I'm probably near his age and thanks to a member on the forum here I may be able to try my hand at some pistol shooting. I wonder how I handle the recoil of a G17. (I suppose there's only one way to know...)
 
Mammoth said:
How large are his hands? I'm probably near his age and thanks to a member on the forum here I may be able to try my hand at some pistol shooting. I wonder how I handle the recoil of a G17. (I suppose there's only one way to know...)
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I'm a girl - so my hands are smaller. I don't find the recoil nearly as bad as I thought it might be except when I'm shooting from the left-side of cover - then I have to turn it a little otherwise I find that it jumps around a little more. (This is also because I don't have a lot of experience yet.)

The M&P's have multiple grip options which makes it a little more accessible for smaller hands and I've heard that the Sigs are also a good choice for smaller hands - but I really enjoy shooting the G17.
 
For the most part service pistol cartridges do not produce uncontrollable recoil. You won't have any problem from recoil or muzzle flip provided you hold the pistol correctly. If your grip on the gun is too low the muzzle will flip up. If the grip frame of the gun is too large for your hand, you will not hold it in line with your forearm and the recoil will kick the muzzle away from the palm of your hand resulting in 9:00 hits on your target, assuming you are right handed. The majority of handguns chambered for service pistol cartridges are pretty mild mannered, provided you understand that the smaller and lighter the gun you choose, the more recoil sensation you will experience.

I find myself in the camp that dislikes Glocks. The ones I've had the opportunity to shoot have had atrocious triggers, which when combined with a poor trigger design is a serious faling gun that is designed as a life saving tool. It would be akin to a life jacket with impossible to manipulate fasteners, which it's supporters point out is safe because it is impossible for them to accidently become undone. If you can't secure your life jacket in a panic situation, in the first place, you are going to drown. In the case of the Glock trigger, if you cannot manipulate it quickly in a gun fight, you get second place. Second place comes with your very own engraved stone tablet, "Here Lies Joe Who Took a Glock to a GunFight."

Glocks are surprisingly inexpensive, and I've been tempted to purchase one just so I can point out its failings as a fighting gun. A fighting gun has 3 criteria that determine its usefulness, it must be reliable, it must have sights you can see, and a trigger you can manage. Things like the material the gun is made from, it's physical size, it's chambering, it's inherent accuracy, and the magazine capacity, while not exactly irrelevant, are all secondary to absolute reliability, sights that can be picked up quickly, and a good trigger. If a rifle was brought out with a Glock style trigger, very few would be sold, because it is impossible to use a rifle with a poor trigger to it's full potential under tight time constraints. The pistol by it's very nature is more difficult to shoot well than a rifle, so logic dictates that a good trigger on the pistol is all the more important. Instead Glock opted to make the trigger as complex and difficult to use under stress as possible, all supposedly in the name of safety, ignoring the fact that a totally safe pistol is totally useless pistol. This is unfortunate, because except for its trigger the Glock has much going for it. It is a reasonable size and weight, it has proven to be a reliable service pistol in real world conditions, it has a generous magazine capacity, decent sights, and an attractive sticker price. If Glock's designers could put a safety on this thing and a good crisp SA trigger, it would be a very good out of the box pistol, and more affordable than a 1911 which more often than not requires some work before it can be deemed suitable for carry.
 
Stevo said:
If he can shoot a Glock well, anyone can:

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Steve I hope you have your son out shooting your IDPA Club Matches. Great to see youngsters out shooting. I got $5.00 that says he beats Greg after two matches.:D

Take Care

Bob
 
newshot said:
No one really questions Glock quality. Many don't like plastic guns, the ergonomics are not for everyone and it gets a bad rap for being the gun all the gangsta kiddies rap about.

Also there is the law of human nature that when some people like something too much, other people have to tear it down!

Having said all that I owned a glock and found it to be an accurate and reliable piece of leggo that I could not wait to get rid of. So they are not for everyone!
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I question their quality: A G17 is the only firearm I have ever personally witnessed go KB. I realize that any manufactured item may be subject to flaws that may lead to a catastrophic failure, BUT... Let's just say that I am far more comfortable operating my 100 year old Lee Enfields with 60 year old ammunition, than I am with squeezing a trigger on a Glock. YMMV.

Oh yeah - And I have felt hockey sticks with better ergonomics!
 
nelly said:
I question their quality: A G17 is the only firearm I have ever personally witnessed go KB. I realize that any manufactured item may be subject to flaws that may lead to a catastrophic failure, BUT... Let's just say that I am far more comfortable operating my 100 year old Lee Enfields with 60 year old ammunition, than I am with squeezing a trigger on a Glock. YMMV.

Oh yeah - And I have felt hockey sticks with better ergonomics!
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and of course it was the glock to blame and not some crappy ammo.... :nest:
 
Boomer said:
For the most part service pistol cartridges do not produce uncontrollable recoil. You won't have any problem from recoil or muzzle flip provided you hold the pistol correctly. If your grip on the gun is too low the muzzle will flip up. If the grip frame of the gun is too large for your hand, you will not hold it in line with your forearm and the recoil will kick the muzzle away from the palm of your hand resulting in 9:00 hits on your target, assuming you are right handed. The majority of handguns chambered for service pistol cartridges are pretty mild mannered, provided you understand that the smaller and lighter the gun you choose, the more recoil sensation you will experience.

I find myself in the camp that dislikes Glocks. The ones I've had the opportunity to shoot have had atrocious triggers, which when combined with a poor trigger design is a serious faling gun that is designed as a life saving tool. It would be akin to a life jacket with impossible to manipulate fasteners, which it's supporters point out is safe because it is impossible for them to accidently become undone. If you can't secure your life jacket in a panic situation, in the first place, you are going to drown. In the case of the Glock trigger, if you cannot manipulate it quickly in a gun fight, you get second place. Second place comes with your very own engraved stone tablet, "Here Lies Joe Who Took a Glock to a GunFight."

Glocks are surprisingly inexpensive, and I've been tempted to purchase one just so I can point out its failings as a fighting gun. A fighting gun has 3 criteria that determine its usefulness, it must be reliable, it must have sights you can see, and a trigger you can manage. Things like the material the gun is made from, it's physical size, it's chambering, it's inherent accuracy, and the magazine capacity, while not exactly irrelevant, are all secondary to absolute reliability, sights that can be picked up quickly, and a good trigger. If a rifle was brought out with a Glock style trigger, very few would be sold, because it is impossible to use a rifle with a poor trigger to it's full potential under tight time constraints. The pistol by it's very nature is more difficult to shoot well than a rifle, so logic dictates that a good trigger on the pistol is all the more important. Instead Glock opted to make the trigger as complex and difficult to use under stress as possible, all supposedly in the name of safety, ignoring the fact that a totally safe pistol is totally useless pistol. This is unfortunate, because except for its trigger the Glock has much going for it. It is a reasonable size and weight, it has proven to be a reliable service pistol in real world conditions, it has a generous magazine capacity, decent sights, and an attractive sticker price. If Glock's designers could put a safety on this thing and a good crisp SA trigger, it would be a very good out of the box pistol, and more affordable than a 1911 which more often than not requires some work before it can be deemed suitable for carry.
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Aside from the 1911 and the K100, which out of the box duty pistols have a better overall consensus trigger pull? I don't think its the Beretta, the Sigs, the GP35, the CZ 75, the HKs, etc.

It's not fair to compare a modified or factory target oriented trigger with a stock Glock issue trigger, which out of the box is one of the least bad of the bunch and is more readily improved than most.
 
I fail to see what is wrong with the Glock trigger?? hard to use, how?? put finger on trigger, squeeze trigger.... I even use a NY2 8lb trigger with great success, I can keep rounds in a 2" square at 10 yards. I even wear gloves, no issues with the trigger....

The gloves are kevlar reinforced, in case of a KB :D
 
Silver_wlf said:
Hey!

So I have a question.... I am very new to shooting sports and I have been borrowing a G-17 for IDPA. The general comments about it range anywhere from it's "garbage" to "I'd rather throw it at the target".

I'm just wondering why? From things I've read on here they seem to be a reliable choice.

I quite like it and it is the front runner for my first purchase. But like anything else - when there are so many dissenters I start to question why.

Thanks so much!
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Seriously, I honestly believe a lot of people hate glocks purely because of their popularity. A lot of people also hate any firearm that has any piece of plastic in it.

At the end of the day, the glock is a simple gun, very affordable, reliable and easy to shoot & operate. Its a great gun to shoot IDPA with.
 
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