current issue RCMP pistol

isn't this due for a replacement? How long has it been in service with the RCMP?

Yep,...CSC is getting the HK P2000,..I heard in DAO which is listed at approx. 7.87lbs,..or 8+lbs (depending on where you read the trigger press weight) I was hoping for the LEM,..but unless I am mistaken,..it is the DAO,..not LEM.
 
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It's funny how these threads come up every so often, when a search would provide the answers....
What's even funnier is some of the 'answers' that are provided. lol...
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I did search WP. First S&W web site. Not much info there. Then a general google search when I found a model #. Some info on the general pistol as used by some LEO's in the states, but nothing on the RCMP guns. Reviews seemed to be "its a reliable gun, but I hate the DAO trigger" New York police supposedly use it as an option, but the Glock is recommended by most officers.
What I could not find was a picture of the actual RCMP issue gun. Other than the blue finish, the one Mark posted looks like the one the recruiter was carrying(thanks Mark) His was bright. I think stainless.
As you noted, some of the answers you find on the Internet can be contradictory.
 
I'll just be another one to chime in and say that with my 5946 I have about 10,000 rounds through it in 7 years, and have had precisely 2 stoppages: One was a bad primer, and one was the operator failing to seat the magazine home.

It is a mechanically complicated firearm, that weighs a ton, and wouldn't have been my first choice to purchase for myself. That said, I find the trigger to be BETTER than the S&W 586 revolver I used to own, and the pistol is exceptionally accurate (I shoot far better with it, than with my own P220).

For those armchair commandos who are horrified by a DAO trigger, I suggest that you may wish to stay out of a career in law enforcement, and keep your adrenaline rushes limited to World of Warcraft. In the training time / budget paradigm that exists in the real world, DAO is the ONLY sensible way to go, with pistols, for general duty police officers. Why we had to fall victim to the fashion trend and switch from perfectly serviceable revolvers, I will never know, considering the RCMP's lack of motivation to a) Supply a round that will do the job, rather than one that will limit liability when the under-trained member misses with it; and b) Support any training, ever, other than once a year qualification shoots.

I have absolutely no qualms about my 5946 functioning correctly, nor do I hesitate when training other members with it. I DO wish it was about 1 pound lighter!

THAT said, I have heard of LOTS of problems with Glocks, in service use.... But that's another story!

Have a super day!
 
Good point on training. I remember when the switch was starting, Dad was still in, and one of the trainers at Depot made the comment "now you have more firepower, 15 rounds instead of 6". Which only works when you know how to use them. (My best friend's son graduated training 2 years ago. My bud is an ex leo, and has shot competition pistol for most of his adult life. He was completely disgusted with the level of firearms training his son had recieved. The lad figures past 25 yards his pistol is pretty much useless.)
I picked up a 659 awhile back, close cousin to the current issue. Compared to the Model 10 I used to own, It is a bit heavy, but that can be an advantage with shaky hands, and help with muzzle flip a bit / steady sight picture. Only advantage to the 9mm round in use vs the last of the souped up +P+ 38's is the barrel is much cleaner after a few shots. Those damn hot rod 38's would lead up a barrel in 6 shots. Real fun to scrape out!
 
"For those armchair commandos who are horrified by a DAO trigger, I suggest that you may wish to stay out of a career in law enforcement, and keep your adrenaline rushes limited to World of Warcraft. In the training time / budget paradigm that exists in the real world, DAO is the ONLY sensible way to go, with pistols, for general duty police officers."

No doubt that is why most departments in Canada run Glocks!

Just because S&W, at the time, practically gave this pistol to the RCMP for nothing doesn't make it a great pistol. In my view it is a shame our National Police are saddled with the gun. Nothing to do with being an armchair commando just an observation that our police ought to be given more than lip service support from our politicians. The latter might also fund more than the 50 rds of practice ammo the general officers get to practice with each year.

Take Care

Bob
 
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WolFF,

I'm not RCMP

Shelldrake,

Our teams' guns are Double / Single actions. The rest of the force is in the DAK but there is no difference in reliability.

Our general duty people generally liked the 5946 (those who had the 3953 hated it) but now that they have the P226 they realy dislike the 5946. It's one of those things where people generally like what they have until they are introduced to a better product. Members who came from forces that were issued Glocks hated the 5946 from the word go. Those members who I've spoken to that had Glock, went 5946 and now have P226 like the P226 better than the Glock.

Rich
 
Own a P226.
Own a P229.
Have owned a 5946. used it to shoot in the high 1410/1500 range on the PPC duty pistol COF.
Issued another 5946.
It's fair to say that I have reasonable experience in both systems.

5946 is a very accurate pistol, especially considering that the triggers are 11 to 14 lbs. I have seen AMAZING groups produced by this pistol in the hands of skilled users. There is nothing wrong with the pistol, but there are some areas where improvement could be made. I also believe that EVERY duty pistol has room for improvement, be it a glock, Sig, Beretta or HK. All designs are a compromise. The RCMP bought a decent pistol for a good price. I'm issued one and I can't change it. But it works fine and is RELIABLE which is the only thing that really matters. So there is no reason to change them right now, and Smith is actually building more of them at the RCMP's request. And, Yes the takedown is awkward, I'll grant that point freely. However, I have no trouble hitting the slide stop with my thumb. It's not as easy as on the Sig, but no actual trouble.
 
Just did a quick check - top duty pistol score 1494-102X, shot with an RCMP duty pistol. Most guys would have difficulty doing half of that (me included :D ) with a highly tuned target pistol.
 
ian_in_vic said:
Just did a quick check - top duty pistol score 1494-102X, shot with an RCMP duty pistol. Most guys would have difficulty doing half of that (me included :D ) with a highly tuned target pistol.
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When I was shooting Duty Pistol, I was a DM, with 1 good shoot out of moving up to GM.

The gun works great. Yes, there are better guns out there, and it isn't what I would call a fighting pistol, but for general duty and patrol work, it does just fine.

During a weekend shoot that we used to run at the range, we had a side event with 5 pepper-poppers at 10m, about 2m apart.
You started with 4 rounds in your gun, and on the buzzer, had to engage the 5 targets. It was your choice on when you reloaded.
I can't remember my total time, but my splits for the 5 shots on the 5 pepper-poppers were less than .2 seconds.
So, the 5 targets went down in under a second from the 1st to the 5th hit.

I was pleased with the result.

Could I do better with a Glock?(which I really like shooting) Probably. But if you practice, the 5946 can do good things for you.
 
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wicked_police said:
When I was shooting Duty Pistol, I was a DM, with 1 good shoot out of moving up to GM.

The gun works great. Yes, there are better guns out there, and it isn't what I would call a fighting pistol, but for general duty and patrol work, it does just fine.

During a weekend shoot that we used to run at the range, we had a side event with 5 pepper-poppers at 10m, about 2m apart.
You started with 4 rounds in your gun, and on the buzzer, had to engage the 5 targets. It was your choice on when you reloaded.
I can't remember my total time, but my splits for the 5 shots on the 5 pepper-poppers were less than .2 seconds.
So, the 5 targets went down in under a second from the 1st to the 5th hit.

I was pleased with the result.

Could I do better with a Glock?(which I really like shooting) Probably. But if you practice, the 5946 can do good things for you.
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your a better shooter than I,..even at 11yrds,. my splits were no faster than .34.... If you ran less than .2 splits,..you are kicking ass against most Open division race guns.:eek:

My best run was from a Bladetech holster 6 8"metal plates at 11yards,=2.96secs.,..DA first shot,..with an HK USP.
I got some pics on my Facebook of the timer,..:cool:
 
I'd rather have my S&W 5946 than a Glock. I like my P226 and love my super red hawk .454, when the XDm comes out in .357 sig i'll want one . There's always going to be something different or better.
 
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If I had an RCMP issue "hand gun" I would use it for a paper weight or a substitute for the brick I use to keep the crow's from getting in my garbage can and making a mess. The trigger pull on the S&W is 100% double trigger all the time and it's an awful big pull. This heap of crap weigh's a ton and the grip well lets just say a five year old could make a better one out of silly puddy! There is only two thing's about the RCMP service sidearm that were any interest to me after my constable friend allowed me to try it at the range.
  1. The mag's hold 16 witch is much better than the ### 10 that we as civilians get to deal with.
  2. It's in 9mm so I could replace what I shot from my girlfriend stash of ammo and swear to myself that I would rather get a
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    then to ever use that disgrace of a sidearm again in my life.
Seriously if the bonehead that is in charge of issuing the RCMP ever read's this you really disserve a huge
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For the dis-service that you are doing to our constables's in using this crap! I told my constable friend that if he wanted any of my sidearms to protect his life don't even ask just take them and throw that heap of crap of the first bridge that he come's across. I don't belive what we get away giving our RCMP to protect there & our lives with. We should be ashamed. Sorry that's just my point of view on that disgrace to the "hand gun" world the S&W 4906 jam o matic!
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why in the world would you post a members gun with serial number showing for everyone to see, including his or hers boss!!!!!!!
 
Im just curious when the 'force' will finally issue its members with a carbine (C8) for the 'general duties' member, till then I guess the winchester M70 (rural-remote) will have to do........
 
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Im just curious when the 'force' will finally issue its members with a carbine (C8) for the 'general duties' member, till then I guess the winchester M70 (rural-remote) will have to do........
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No idea when/if we'll be going to a carbine.... I hope it's sooner than later.

But the M70 is being replaced by Remington LTR's with leupold 1-4 scopes. THere's a few in the field now.
 
wicked_police said:
No idea when/if we'll be going to a carbine.... I hope it's sooner than later.

But the M70 is being replaced by Remington LTR's with leupold 1-4 scopes. THere's a few in the field now.
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I had a chat with one of your depot guys last year. He said they were buying all Larue gear to go on your C8s when it happens.
 
Just out of curiosity... the Mountie who was able to hit the crazy guy in Mayerthorpe fired one shot and then his pistol jammed. The media said a casing got caught in the slide when it was ejected. "Stove piping" I believe. Would this be an issue with this pistol or perhaps the officer was returning fire with one hand and did not have a strong enough grip??? I have seen this happen to a few female shooters and was told it is usually caused by a weak grip.
One more question for the mounties on here... what is the rationale for shooting 25 metres? I believe the RCMP are one of the only police forces in Canada that qualify at this distance.
 
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