current issue RCMP pistol

KyleM said:
I try to encourage my co-workers and other non-work friends to participate in shooting, but I think there has been such a cultural shift in Canada because the pain in the ass to get to a range to practice or to hobby shoot with a restricted or prohib is driving people (police and recreational) away. It would be great to make it more accessible, but that's the breaks. It would be awesome to just haul your pistol out to a cow pasture and blast away at whatever, but that is just as frowned on for police as anyone else.
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That's great to hear. We need more police like that... taking it upon themselves to be as best as they can be. Really, that's all I'm asking of all police officers. It's the ones who view it as "that thing on my belt" that piss me off. I even heard one lady officer refer to her sidearm as 'that thing on my belt' once. She also told me if it was up to her, she wouldn't even have it, because she never used it and see no use for carrying a firearm. Yeah, a sworn police officer said that.

It's like anything really, profession related. Talent isn't something that can be created, but as you mentioned, one can be as best as they can be. If my life was on the line and relied on a pistol, I would want to know/be able to do anything/everything with that piece of equipment. Taking it apart blindfolded and putting it back together, being able to draw and shoot quick and accurately, getting a good feel for the trigger, and being able to shoot up to and within it's limits.

It's the cops that don't give a sh*t about their kit, that I worry about. Last year or the year before, not quite sure... but a member of the RNC left his sidearm in a public bathroom. :eek:
 
but believe it or not the BarSto is not that much tighter than the factory barrel when it comes to 25m shooting.
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Mark:

Would the after-market barrel in the PX4 I purchased from you be as tight as the factory barrel? Just wondering if it is less accurate at greater distances because of this?
 
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Mark:

Would the after-market barrel in the PX4 I purchased from you be as tight as the factory barrel? Just wondering if it is less accurate at greater distances because of this?
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Our experience has been that the custom barrels we use in the PX4 Storms are as good as and usually more accurate than the stock barrel but I have not done anywhere near as much testing of those as I have of the S&W 5946/5906 barrels. I've been shooting the 5946 and 5906 for a number of years... own several of them and have both factory and BarSto barrels. Shot a lot of rounds (through mine) and have the experience of what others have shot as well.

The BarSto barrels that were made for the S&W 59 series gun were great... very tight fit... excellent accuracy. But the factory S&W barrels that came in those guns were superb to begin with. Most of the factory barrels I worked with shot very tight groups at 25 and even 50 meters. The guns were much better than the "average" I normally see with most other factory handguns (SIG, Glock, etc.). I found the accuracy of an average factory Glock barrel to be not that great... some were good while others were horrible. The barrel fit is extremely lose... which allows them to feed almost every kind of ammo and work even when the gun is filthy... it was designed to be that way and military accuracy requirements are not the same as "target shooters" expectations. If memory serves, the US Military standard (acceptable) for an M9 Beretta was 6 to 8" at 50 yards. That just won't cut it for a serious target shooter who expects to hit a 2" x 3" "X" ring at 50 yards.

Keep in mind that many factors go into determining the accuracy of the barrel, not the least of which is different types of ammo.

Mark
 
Fry said:
Actually, I'd beg to differ. Most of the people who take the time to go through the trouble to obtain their RPAL, ATT's, invest in handguns and the costly ammo that goes with them, usually are much more proficient some of those in police/military. I know of mounties who despise their service piece and apart from duty use, only use it to qualify and that's it. You cannot be proficient in shooting only once or twice a year. I don't care where 'most' instances happen. All police should have to qualify - and qualify often, up to 20-25m with their sidearm. It's only practice, for God's sake, it's not like it's asking 'em to give their kidneys! If my profession involved the possible use of a firearm, I would want to be as proficient as I could be, for myself and for others.

A popcan at 15m is a pretty big target. I feel that it takes more than once or twice a year to get a good feel for the firearm and become as proficient as possible.
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You are preaching to the choir here.
 
BlackWatch said:
And what pistol would you like to see the RCMP replace the 5946 with??? I would like to see the opinions of other Mounties here if you wouldn't mind.
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Smith and Wesson is currently courting the RCMP with the idea of swapping their M & P 9mm for the 5946. The big issue is that the parts for the new Smiths are incredibly expensive. I don't mind the 5946 and would be more than happy to just keep it. The armory in Regina has enough parts, etc to keep the 5946's running for years. I know this as I had lunch with two of the armorers just a couple of weeks ago. They also told me that Smith and Wesson says that they will make limitted runs just for the RCMP. I don't think it will be leaving us anytime soon.

I also would like to thank many of the people here on their good comments on this thread. What I would like to ask is that if you have any buddies who are mounties or other cops to make sure that you invite them as a guest to your gunclub and encourage them to join. I have brought four other mounties on board already and it really has changed their perspective as they have met some good ole boy shooters at the range. I think everyone at our gun club has shot at least one 5946 because of the number of mounties there letting other guys take a few cracks with our pieces.
 
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I have gotten some feedback worrying about RCMP members allowing civilians to shoot RCMP firearms. This is not as uncommon as some would think. Within the confines and restrictions of a firing range at a local gun club, this is not necessarily frowned upon. Obviously a point of discretion for the RCMP member. In my instance, there was three or four mounties present along with a number of gun club members and it was all done above boards - whatever that would mean. We even tried out a few gun club members' pistols and revolvers. We have a very good relationship with our gun club members here and the public in general here and are seen as allies/spokespersons for the gun community in this neck of the woods.
 
I can definately vouch for saskcop on that! There are a lot of good guys still out there. Unfortunately you never hear about the good in anything, just the bad. Sad to say, good news is not "newsworthy" anymore these days. Keep up the good work fellows.
 
saskcop said:
I have gotten some feedback worrying about RCMP members allowing civilians to shoot RCMP firearms. This is not as uncommon as some would think. Within the confines and restrictions of a firing range at a local gun club, this is not necessarily frowned upon. Obviously a point of discretion for the RCMP member. In my instance, there was three or four mounties present along with a number of gun club members and it was all done above boards - whatever that would mean. We even tried out a few gun club members' pistols and revolvers. We have a very good relationship with our gun club members here and the public in general here and are seen as allies/spokespersons for the gun community in this neck of the woods.
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I sure as hell wish we had more saskcops in detachments around here. (Not being sarcastic)
 
Fry

I am glad is isn't frowned on. If it was I would not want to get the local destachment into trouble. We have a great bunch of RCMP guys and gals up here led by a very good Inspector. When we are on the firing line we are one that is just a bunch of guys & gals enjoying our shooting. We all play with each others toys. Helps to break down barriers and misconceptions on both sides.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
I am glad is isn't frowned on... When we are on the firing line we are one that is just a bunch of guys & gals enjoying our shooting. We all play with each others toys. Helps to break down barriers and misconceptions on both sides.
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Agreed - community relations part of mandate. Pretty cool when youth can talk to RCMP outside a "licence & registration" situation - or for anyone to talk with RCMP casually, likely may know more about your community than you do. One or two are actually descent people :D

Bob, when I was in Terrace a number of RCMP frequented Ironworks (that still around?), provided spots whatever, was cool when got into another situation and actually knew the guy/gal.

For those that are unfamiliar with the RCMP sidearm, it has a barrel, bullet goes into one end, comes out the other (if all goes well), not a big deal, really. If other people dont let you shoot their firearms, it may be you...
 
Fry said:
I sure as hell wish we had more saskcops in detachments around here. (Not being sarcastic)
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Where are you at? I am thinking of moving! Thanks for the encouragement by the way - it means a lot as you probably noticed that the media doesn't pick the best stuff about us to publish.
 
I'm located in Newfoundland, where most of the mounties (not all) have very little to do with the public (in my portion of the province anyway).
 
Although actual firearm use for the average police officer may be only 1% or less of their career, it is the 1% that will kill you. It's like diving was for my old job, the real diving we did for rescue and recovery took about 4% of the work, the training for it consumed about 20-30% of our training time.

Regarding positive interactions with LEO's. I grew up with proactive encounters on a regular basis which humanized the LEO, today to much police work is reactive and it harms the realationship between the law abiding public and LEO's.
 
I suppose that given this is a firearms website and this thread is discussing cop guns/qualifications/shooting abilities & the like that there would be a point drawn about the cops practicing & qualifying more, etc.

Personally, I'd rather see the time & money go to their driving skills. Other than practice, cops might never use their duty firearms in their careers but they usually drive every day they work. Ask 'em the last time they had to certify/qualify etc on their driving. Likely, unless in some specialty squad or section, it was in basic training, whenever that was.

I think because of TV & the movies etc most people think that police work involves a lot of gun play. They don't realize that the job entails mostly routine duties, going to & from calls, follow-ups, paperwork etc. Actually, very little to do with guns, theirs or others, most of the time. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be proficient with their firearms, but I think the focus should be on the issue equipment that is or likely is to be used with the most frequency. And has the greatest potential to affect themselves and the general public at large.

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NAA said:
I think because of TV & the movies etc most people think that police work involves a lot of gun play. They don't realize that the job entails mostly paperwork, typing, paperwork, routine duties, paperwork, an electronic form, going to & from paperwork, paperwork, paperwork, typing, paperwork, paperwork, Tim Horton's, paperwork paperwork, follow-ups, paperwork etc.
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Fixt!!! :wave:
 
NAA said:
Personally, I'd rather see the time & money go to their driving skills. Other than practice, cops might never use their duty firearms in their careers but they usually drive every day they work.
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X2. The odds on a police officer needing to use his gun are very small, even smaller are the odds one of us would be around when it happened. But how many times have you had a police cruiser roll by you at high speed in bad conditions? I'd rather they spent more time honing their driving skills as well.
 
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NAA said:
Your not trying to say you are buried in paperwork are ya? :p
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As a further correction to Nelly's post above, I am starting to believe that the number one killer of cops on duty is Carpal Tunnel Syndrome caused by excessive typing.

A few years ago I read that the average time to process an impaired driver from the time you flip on the overhead lights to the time the file is sitting in your supervisor's basket has gone from 3.5 hours in the mid 70's to over 9 hours today... and that's just for a simple one... if there is an accident involved I have no idea... Triple that? Minimum? Collision reconstructionist and lab tech hours, possibly ident as well... the man hours pile up in a big hurry.
 
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