Custom made AR MATCH barrels

Leg said:
First off, he's turning these from blanks, which means that any profiles the manufacter may offer are irrelevant.

Second, if I'm going to plunk down my hard earned cash I want to know what I'm getting for my money. It has nothing to do with what looks cool. Ever pick up an HBAR? Nothing cool about it and it defeats the point on carbine barrels.

Rick clearly says that if its a profile that's already programmed than the price is set but if it isn't programmed than it will cost extra, so guess what genius I want to know what he has programmed. It has nothing to do with what's cool, I personally won't buy a 14.5" thats too heavy under the handguards or has M4 cutouts.

I also find it somewhat ironic that a man that refuses to flute a barrel because he deams it to be potentially harmful to performance will put in M4 cutouts on an HBAR which will mess with the barrel harmonics for sure. I'm sure he has some sort of reason but it isn't making sense to me.

An HBAR profile may make sense to some guys who want the most accurate barrel possible in a 20" or 24" platform but not so much for the shorter lengths. The HBARs came about mostly because of the US competition guys. Look around on arfcom or M4carbine forums and you won't see too many HBARs, you'll see mostly medium (.750 ish) and government contours.

Rick, what about midlength gas systems?
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Mr. Leg:

You know my friend you do make some good points, on others you and I will simply have to agree to disagree.

That being said, if expeidience is required instead of pictrues, where one is not always certain of exact dimetions, would not a simple diagram with detailing those dimentions be more helpful??

Perhaps some thing like this, but with more detail, including all step diameters etc:

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That way Rick can detail what is programed with out having to produce every single variation.

Just a suggetsion, and my thoughts

regards

AbH
 
Richard, you read my mind ;)

Here is a basic list of the profiles we're planning to do as "regular" items, obviously they can be altered if someone so wishes. However the diameters
shown here we feel are a good balance of rigidity vs weight savings.

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We're only making rifle and carbine length gas systems presently, if someone wants to swing by the shop and lend me a middy and pistol length for 15 minutes or so I think we'd be happy to make those lengths as well :D
 
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Yes, clear diagrams would obviously be sufficient.

The drawings that striker66 produced are hard to read however. For example, to my eyes it looks like the diameter is for the HBARs is .645" when I believe it actually reads .845". The 11.5" midweight looks like it reads .640" under the handguards, that would be lightweight profile in my mind and I hear that skinny profiles don't work well with stainless.

Your 18" and 20" barrels will probably sell well to those who want accurate guns, but I just don't see you selling many HBARs in the carbine lengths. Like I said, look around, the only reason that guys have those HBAR shorties (myself included) is because that's all that the various manufacturers offered. Look at the some of the popular newer names and you won't find any HBAR shorties, names like Global Tactical, Bravo Company Manufacturing.
 
Deckard said:
Various gas port locations then I guess, possibly. Some might want rifle length gas system on a 16 inch.
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Deckard:

If I may jump in here, the above is not a good idea as to the very short dwell time. I had such a system, and while it was a real pleasure to shoot, I found reliablity to be lacking, even with the use of a Linear comp to increase dwell time, it was just not at the level I wanted.

Mr. Leg:

I spoke with Striker yesterday, and I agree the numbers are hard to read. The drawing are take straight out of his CNC machine programing. He spent a good deal of time struggeling with extracting the information, and as soon as he can he will make them clear.

That being said, I do belive that the above will give you a very good idea of whats available, if unclear, perhaps a pm, or better yet a phone call will solve those issues. From Past and current experience, I know these guys will work very hard to make sure you get what you want. :)

At this juncture, I'm not sure if you have an axe to grind, however one would have to conceed that they are doing there best to respond to the needs and requrests of the Canadian consumer. Further I do know that constructive critasismum is appreciated and taken to heart. At this point, Im sure some encoragement, and pacients to those that are trying to offer a Canadian made solution would be appreciated.

YMMV

Respectfully yours

AbH
 
Rick I think this is great news about the Barrels. If these are as superb as those lowers earlier this year then I for one welcome your product.
Hmmm now to start planning my next build.
 
Guys WE are trying to make what either the US will not allow us to export AND what people want, to the best of our ability.

We have the specs of many of the common barrel contours so are working with them. If there is enough demand to warrant different profiles we will look at that. We are open to suggestions and are listening. We are not trying to justify what profiles are best or the merits of each, simply trying to supply high quality barrels in configurations that are sought after in enough quantity to make the set up worthwhile.
To make a 1 of of everything IS possible but REALLY expensive and time consuming.
To stick with a few contours that are popular would be the best alternative, the key here is to get a consensus of what YOU guys want and try then to make it happen.

I agree a high quality matchgrade barrel in a 10.5" spray and pray gun does not make sense, EXCEPT for those who want a short barrel, which we can not have exported any longer. An matchgrade barrel in short lengths beats NO barrel, and the only reliable access to barrel blanks we have right now are from Rock and Lilja, so that is what we have to work with.

Just to clarify so my email and PM box quit overflowing and I don't have to spend all day responding to inquiries about what we don't or won't or can't make.
At this time the ONLY caliber available is .224, the chambering can be .556 or 223 Wilde
ALL barrels are stainless, NO CM , NO chrome lined NO fluted.........
We will likely be bringing in some other calibers if demand is there, but they too will be stainless match type blanks. Once we get the .224 caliber barrels dealt with we will post the next caliber project as well as anything else we come up with once we have it.
Thanks for the support of those who are offering sound advice or are buying our products. It is appreciated!!
Cheers
Rick

If someone has
 
ABHobbyist, I have no axe to grind whatsoever. Simply telling them what I'd like to see and why. My beef isn't with using high quality match blanks, its the profile, they're just too thick. I think that they'll find that I'm not alone and before you know it they'll be turning lots of shorties in a smaller diameter. I thought the point of this thread was to give feedback and my critisism is meant to be constructive.

So the 11.5" does read .640". Interesting. The picture says medium weight so perhaps they meant .740"?
 
Rick at ATR:

Thanks for stepping up to the plate and providing what Obama Bin Ladin is denying us responsible shooters! That's very kind of you to put yourself out there and continuing to do so despite all the Advils! :eek:

Folks...yeah, it's stainless and not chromoly, but at least it's all match grade and quality steel. Flutes are cool, but when you flute a heat treated barrel, unpredictable results MAY happen. Various stresses in the molecular grain/structure of the steel may act against your favour! At least when a factory flutes their barrels, THEY have to deal with said unexpected results before the product is shipped (sometimes AFTER the product is sold... called a 'warranty issue'). That's why Rick at ATR does not want (neither do you) anymore headaches from the fluting process.

I'm just thankful as heck that a Cdn gunsmith is stepping up to the challenge. Now we should support him with our barrel needs as they arise. I'm pissed at Obama like all of you are too, but here's a situation where we CAN do something about it... :rolleyes:

:cheers:

Barney
 
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Leg said:
ABHobbyist, I have no axe to grind whatsoever. Simply telling them what I'd like to see and why. My beef isn't with using high quality match blanks, its the profile, they're just too thick. I think that they'll find that I'm not alone and before you know it they'll be turning lots of shorties in a smaller diameter. I thought the point of this thread was to give feedback and my critisism is meant to be constructive.

So the 11.5" does read .640". Interesting. The picture says medium weight so perhaps they meant .740"?
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Leg:

I see, where your coming from, and if we cut through all the verbosity, it simly sound like you want noveske rifle works mid weight style contours, or something slightly thinner on your barrels.

You seem like an intelegent and infromed fellow, with something constructive to add. Perhaps at this point cheif, a detailed conversation with Rick on the style of contour and the type of measurements you would like to see is in order. You never know what they may have in the works. :)

Hungry said:
.................I'm just thankful as heck that a Cdn gunsmith is stepping up to the challenge. Now we should support him with our barrel needs as they arise. I'm pissed at Obama like all of you are too, but here's a situation where we CAN do something about it... :rolleyes:

Barney
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Hungry:

Sir you have hit the Nail on the head. The has been much "Talk about the Walk" now its time to "Walk the Walk"

To that end I have put my money where my mouth is and have a DMR in the works :D

I encourage you all to do the same. Been holding off for a special barrel, well now is the time. If you don't see what you like, call, talk to the guys at ATR, see what you can work out, you might be surprised, I was.

Respectfully yours

AbH
 
Leg said:
ABHobbyist, I have no axe to grind whatsoever. Simply telling them what I'd like to see and why. My beef isn't with using high quality match blanks, its the profile, they're just too thick. I think that they'll find that I'm not alone and before you know it they'll be turning lots of shorties in a smaller diameter. I thought the point of this thread was to give feedback and my critisism is meant to be constructive.

So the 11.5" does read .640". Interesting. The picture says medium weight so perhaps they meant .740"?
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The whole point of this thread and for my posting it was to get feedback on what others thoughts are on contours.
So to all that have posted here THANKYOU we are listening.
The amount of knowledge on this forum is staggering and by no means do we figure we know enough.
Several VERY valid points have been raised here and we will be working with many of the suggestions.
Our goal is to make what YOU the consumers want, within reason.
Many ideas are just not prudent like the fluted barrel thing and thanks to Hungry for helping to clear that up better than I did.

Hungry here: The reason I sound so intelligent is because I spent a week with my tiriaq at the National Sniper matches (NSCC) and he was my partner. I owe all my insight to him. I'm really not that smart. :runaway:
 
I'm going to jump in and vote for 6.5 Grendel as the next calibre. Anyone that wants a precision AR15 should be interested in this calibre over most/all others. It adds long range to the light weight AR15 platform.
 
Rotorwing_Savior said:
I'm going to jump in and vote for 6.5 Grendel as the next calibre. Anyone that wants a precision AR15 should be interested in this calibre over most/all others. It adds long range to the light weight AR15 platform.
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I would whole heartedly agree here, as long as one can find a good reliable source of bolt heads, dies and brass to go with that.

regards

AbH
 
AbHobbyist said:
I would whole heartedly agree here, as long as one can find a good reliable source of bolt heads, dies and brass to go with that.

regards

AbH
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Dies, brass, and mags are no problem. Bolt's are more difficult to get, but they are produced, and with more demand hopefully would come a more plentiful supply.
 
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