Custom Reloading Bench

I do really like the T Track and I think I will integrate it into my tops. the cabinets will be all 3/4 maple plywood even the backs. All drawer slides will be heavy duty slides. The countertop is 30" deep which allows a 10" overhang at reloading cleaning and prep areas. I really thought I had my mind made up on the top until You said No wood now I am not sure.
 
Something I did in my own new reloading area was to add a row of holes in the top with top hat nuts below. The presses, an articulated arm like and a bench vise are then all mounted to sub plates of 3/4 plywood which then bolt to the bench anywhere I want through the regular pattern of holes. So far this proven to work super well and provides maximum flexibility. I can't recommend it highly enough. On top of that it's so easy to do and to work with that it's pretty much something that won't get in the way at all.

The pattern I did is a line of holes with 5/16" T nuts that are spaced at 6 inches apart and 5.5 inches back. It started as 5 but then I added a half inch trim strip. The 5.5 inch distance puts the bolts at or slightly behind the base of the machines and allows a few inches of the plate to extend back so the bolts are holding the plate down securely with no risk of any flex. In short it looked right for the size of plates I wanted to use. The 6 inch spacing has worked out well too. It allows the plates to easily accept any press, vise or anything else without becoming too large.

The plates use the same 5/16 bolts and top hat nuts for holding the items to the plates.

Even if you don't move the presses around much this pattern and plate system allows for changes and moving things around if and when needed. And it only costs a few bucks for the top hat nuts and a few holes worth of your time.
 
The T track is nice! Where from?

The wood can be covered in clear epoxy or poly and would be impervious to chemicals. Better yet you could get a test square done on a scrap piece and have at er with your cleaning supplies and see if anything happens. You are gonna have lots of storage, looks nice, I think I would want it more open above the presses for more light.
 
Light souldnt be a problem the presses will sit at the front and the uppers are 12" I will also have a row of Led pot lights 24" out from wall aswell as under cabinet lighting. At least I hope that will be enough light
 
A search online and You can find T track and to install it all You need is a plunge router and a good edge guide

I have a hornady LnL progressive with feeders and a redding big boss 2 for presses right now and either I will get another LnL or I will sell my LnL and buy to Dillon 650s
 
T-track could be improved with some high density plastic or hardwood ripped to fit as a filler plug..... fishing screws and small parts out of the slot would get old quick.
I'd be tempted to just clamp things down at first as you feel out the work area and then once a good layout is determined drill some permanent holes for bolts.
 
The way the T track is used makes it work. But notice that it requires a deeper plate back to front. If it were just one track and located closer to the front of the top I would be concerned over the amount of force on the hold down screws for the track. Of course one could glue the track in with epoxy or construction adhesive and that would certainly secure it.

In the end I still like the looks and simplicity of the top hat nuts and a line of regular holes over the T track. I like that I can place or lift anything at any time without affecting any other setup. I like that the track won't be there to choke up with debris and require fairly frequent vacuuming to clean it. And I like that the top hat nuts do not rely on gluing or lots of screws to hold the mounting plates securely.

In the end both options and other options will do the job. But even if I'd thought of the T track in the first place it would not be my first choice even if just for the slot being a natural debris magnet.

Here's a couple of pictures of the setup I've got. I like that the mounting plates do not need to be all that large. And speaking of debris I've already had a few bits and pieces fall into the holes. The plan is to counter sink and plug them up with counter sunk head cap screws as fillers.

General view-
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View of the bench vise on a removable plate and the Dillon 550b. The vise plate is larger and uses 3 screws in order to better support and spread out the impact loads from hammering on items in the jaws. The plate for the Dillon is oversize on the right because I have the ammo catch bin hanging off the edge as well as a spot for a bread baking pan for empty casings that is held in place by magnets set into the mounting plate.

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And here's a clearer view of the "system". Just a row of holes with the 5/16 top hat huts underneath.

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If you're wondering the "top" is inexpensive laminate flooring. It's proven to be highly scuff and ding resistant so far. And because it's floating I can remove and replace pieces that become badly damaged in the future.
 
ok here are my first designs please give me your opinions

Go for drawer units for all the lower units where you show one drawer and an open cupboard and door below. The depth of the lower units front to back ensures that stuff pushed to the rear on the shelves in such units requires you to get on your knees to retrieve it. Or it simply becomes lost and forgotten. With drawers you open and lift out and when you're getting one thing you see the others and that reminds you of what is stored where. It's just simply far easier and more effective to organize and access our junk in drawers than on a deep shelf that sits low to the floor.

For my uppers on the other side of this area where I have walls I went with a slightly different setup. Because the width of the uppers doesn't match the stud spacing I went with a support strap of 3/4 plywood that the uppers sit onto. The strap takes the lion's share of the load and a 4 inch wide 5/8's inch stiffener inletted between the sides and top serves to provide some additional load support and a way to secure the cabinets initially. Because they are a little more flexy than a full backed cabinet I started out setting and securing the first one to the stud with a screw in the upper stiffener. Then I squared it up and drove a locking screw through the bottom and into the lower load bearing strap. With this one set square I just set and secured the rest using the first to set the squareness. After they were mounted I added an external top strap of 3/4 x 4 which is double screwed to each stud. To connect the cabinets to this upper strap I used two L brackets to lock the cabinet top to the upper strap. This proved to be both simple and relatively economical to do compared to full backs. And even full backs does not ensure that you can support every cabinet on more than one stud With a load bearing lower strap I feel that the sides of the cabinets are far better supported.

And the lower strap doubles as a place to secure hooks for hanging up frequently used items such as a dial vernier gauge, bench brush, wrenchs specific to a given press, reading glasses, etc.

In your design since you have a corner cabinet you'd want to start from there and work out to either side of course.

Ivo raises a good point about solvents and the like. I do my major gun cleaning out in the garage where I have a sink and laminate counter. I chose to separate this function to keep the odors out of the house. And because my reloading and maintenance area is primarily "dry" I get by with a solvent and oil resistant mat over the flooring I'm using as my work surface covering.

Ivo suggests the idea of three layers of 3/4 ply. I would suggest that this is a bit of overkill for anything where you won't be using a hammer and major tooling. Even with the T track cutting into the top layer there's going to be more than enough support from two layers if the top is secured well to the lower units. With the kitchen like lowers secured to the wall and then the top secured to the lowers I'm getting by just fine with a layer of 3/4 MDF as a flat and stable first layer and then just the flooring over top of that. The results are solid as granite thanks to all the spots where the cabinets are secured to the studs both at the top and bottom and correctly leveled on the floor. But then again if you opt for the T tracks then I would suggest that two layers of 3/4 is not a bad idea at all due to cutting more than half way through the top layer for the tracking.

I did go with two layers of 3/4 on my metal working bench area. I then tested it with a large ball peen hammer and a plate of 1/2" steel to see if there was enough flex to make the plate jump like it was on a trampoline. Over the support provided by the vertical sides of the cabinets there was no jump at all. When in the middle as far as I could get from the vertical support from the sides the double layer still was stiff enough that there was only very little spring induced jumping. And that was when hit by a full over the shoulder swing. If it had jumped more than 1/2 inch I was prepared to add a third layer. The jump was less than 1/4 inch.

The layers in this last case were two layers of 3/4 good quality fir plywood. Not cheap but SO much better than the usual spruce or hemlock plywood. The layers were bonded to each other by a 6" by 6" grid of 1 1/4 dry wall screws. I opted for "sewing" the layers together this way instead of gluing so that I could take it apart at some point in the future if required.

I would definitely include at least one foot well at a couple of places. But oddly enough I found that I don't need a foot well for working at the press. I found that the handles come out far enough in their swing that I need to sit far enough away to have a comfortable swing that my knees are not under any risk. And this is despite having only the typical 1 to 1 1/2" overhang. YMMV of course so I'd suggest you mock up something and try loading for an hour and see how much or how little space you need for your knees. Better to take an evening now to prove your setup than to mess up the final product.

Your drawing also shows some open shelving. For the upper cabinets I would put doors on all of them. The idea is that this is the be all and end all setup that you'll live with forever after. Do you really want to look at the clutter on those open shelves when the rest is hiding behind doors? I suspect not. If the price of the doors is holding you back then make your own. It's a shop area after all. So a door made from 5/8 or 3/4 ply without any fancy decoration is just fine. Just edge band them and folks will think it was a design choice instead of being an economy move... :D

if you can put a sink in one corner. It's surprising how often having water available comes in handy.

Don't skimp on electrical outlets. If you're framing and drywalling then I'd suggest a box at 6 foot intervals along all the counter area. I'd also run a couple of switched outlet boxes up just below the upper cabinets so it's easy to install under cabinet lighting.

Someone pointed out the need for extra clearance to the uppers. I've found that with my own setup that this hasn't been an issue. The loading area shown above has no uppers but the area adjacent to it has uppers at the same spacing as used in kitchens. I've yet to find that they are in the way. So if you stick to the typical kitchen sizing for everything you should be just ducky.

For my under cabinet lighting I went with the self adhesive LED ribbon that I picked up off Ebay at $15 for 15feet. I went with the "bright white" vs "cool white" which is too blueish. I had a ribbon of "warm white" and it's too orange'y. The inbetween stuff is just more what we're all used to seeing for indoor lighting. The LED strip worked out so well that I put it into the kitchen. And if you find like I did in one area, that one strip isn't enough just put on and hook up a second strip about 3 inches away and it brightens things up enough that you'll darn near need sunglasses :D

That's about it from me. I got my own similar areas finished up and began using them about a year ago. And I'm just putting the last touches on the metal working area. The info above reflects what I've found works for me.
 
That's a nice looking setup BC rider. The holes are a good idea aswell

Thanks! I sure don't want to take away from ivo's T track idea. It is obviously another valid option. But I know from past experience that I just don't need an open debris and small parts trap that the open tracking would provide. Hell, like I posted I've already lost a couple of bits that fell down the darn 3/8 holes as it is! ! ! ! :mad: The only reason I don't have the filler screws in the open holes already is that I need to come up with a depth limiter for the counter sink first.
 
BCrider, perhaps a mild bevel is all you need to allow a steel tapered head bolt to drop in flush? It could be removed with a magnet or pushed out from below....
Otherwise there's always the hot melt glue gun!
:)

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Go for drawer units for all the lower units where you show one drawer and an open cupboard and door below. The depth of the lower units front to back ensures that stuff pushed to the rear on the shelves in such units requires you to get on your knees to retrieve it. Or it simply becomes lost and forgotten. With drawers you open and lift out and when you're getting one thing you see the others and that reminds you of what is stored where. It's just simply far easier and more effective to organize and access our junk in drawers than on a deep shelf that sits low to the floor.

For my uppers on the other side of this area where I have walls I went with a slightly different setup. Because the width of the uppers doesn't match the stud spacing I went with a support strap of 3/4 plywood that the uppers sit onto. The strap takes the lion's share of the load and a 4 inch wide 5/8's inch stiffener inletted between the sides and top serves to provide some additional load support and a way to secure the cabinets initially. Because they are a little more flexy than a full backed cabinet I started out setting and securing the first one to the stud with a screw in the upper stiffener. Then I squared it up and drove a locking screw through the bottom and into the lower load bearing strap. With this one set square I just set and secured the rest using the first to set the squareness. After they were mounted I added an external top strap of 3/4 x 4 which is double screwed to each stud. To connect the cabinets to this upper strap I used two L brackets to lock the cabinet top to the upper strap. This proved to be both simple and relatively economical to do compared to full backs. And even full backs does not ensure that you can support every cabinet on more than one stud With a load bearing lower strap I feel that the sides of the cabinets are far better supported.

And the lower strap doubles as a place to secure hooks for hanging up frequently used items such as a dial vernier gauge, bench brush, wrenchs specific to a given press, reading glasses, etc.

In your design since you have a corner cabinet you'd want to start from there and work out to either side of course.

Ivo raises a good point about solvents and the like. I do my major gun cleaning out in the garage where I have a sink and laminate counter. I chose to separate this function to keep the odors out of the house. And because my reloading and maintenance area is primarily "dry" I get by with a solvent and oil resistant mat over the flooring I'm using as my work surface covering.

Ivo suggests the idea of three layers of 3/4 ply. I would suggest that this is a bit of overkill for anything where you won't be using a hammer and major tooling. Even with the T track cutting into the top layer there's going to be more than enough support from two layers if the top is secured well to the lower units. With the kitchen like lowers secured to the wall and then the top secured to the lowers I'm getting by just fine with a layer of 3/4 MDF as a flat and stable first layer and then just the flooring over top of that. The results are solid as granite thanks to all the spots where the cabinets are secured to the studs both at the top and bottom and correctly leveled on the floor. But then again if you opt for the T tracks then I would suggest that two layers of 3/4 is not a bad idea at all due to cutting more than half way through the top layer for the tracking.

I did go with two layers of 3/4 on my metal working bench area. I then tested it with a large ball peen hammer and a plate of 1/2" steel to see if there was enough flex to make the plate jump like it was on a trampoline. Over the support provided by the vertical sides of the cabinets there was no jump at all. When in the middle as far as I could get from the vertical support from the sides the double layer still was stiff enough that there was only very little spring induced jumping. And that was when hit by a full over the shoulder swing. If it had jumped more than 1/2 inch I was prepared to add a third layer. The jump was less than 1/4 inch.

The layers in this last case were two layers of 3/4 good quality fir plywood. Not cheap but SO much better than the usual spruce or hemlock plywood. The layers were bonded to each other by a 6" by 6" grid of 1 1/4 dry wall screws. I opted for "sewing" the layers together this way instead of gluing so that I could take it apart at some point in the future if required.

I would definitely include at least one foot well at a couple of places. But oddly enough I found that I don't need a foot well for working at the press. I found that the handles come out far enough in their swing that I need to sit far enough away to have a comfortable swing that my knees are not under any risk. And this is despite having only the typical 1 to 1 1/2" overhang. YMMV of course so I'd suggest you mock up something and try loading for an hour and see how much or how little space you need for your knees. Better to take an evening now to prove your setup than to mess up the final product.

Your drawing also shows some open shelving. For the upper cabinets I would put doors on all of them. The idea is that this is the be all and end all setup that you'll live with forever after. Do you really want to look at the clutter on those open shelves when the rest is hiding behind doors? I suspect not. If the price of the doors is holding you back then make your own. It's a shop area after all. So a door made from 5/8 or 3/4 ply without any fancy decoration is just fine. Just edge band them and folks will think it was a design choice instead of being an economy move... :D

if you can put a sink in one corner. It's surprising how often having water available comes in handy.

Don't skimp on electrical outlets. If you're framing and drywalling then I'd suggest a box at 6 foot intervals along all the counter area. I'd also run a couple of switched outlet boxes up just below the upper cabinets so it's easy to install under cabinet lighting.

Someone pointed out the need for extra clearance to the uppers. I've found that with my own setup that this hasn't been an issue. The loading area shown above has no uppers but the area adjacent to it has uppers at the same spacing as used in kitchens. I've yet to find that they are in the way. So if you stick to the typical kitchen sizing for everything you should be just ducky.

For my under cabinet lighting I went with the self adhesive LED ribbon that I picked up off Ebay at $15 for 15feet. I went with the "bright white" vs "cool white" which is too blueish. I had a ribbon of "warm white" and it's too orange'y. The inbetween stuff is just more what we're all used to seeing for indoor lighting. The LED strip worked out so well that I put it into the kitchen. And if you find like I did in one area, that one strip isn't enough just put on and hook up a second strip about 3 inches away and it brightens things up enough that you'll darn near need sunglasses :D

That's about it from me. I got my own similar areas finished up and began using them about a year ago. And I'm just putting the last touches on the metal working area. The info above reflects what I've found works for me.

Wow Thanks for taking the time to write that up it's much appreciated. I'll start with the drawer units I have strongly considered putting more drawers in and most likely will only reason I have so much shelving is I store alot of ammo and a drawer under alot of weight will usually fail before a shelf.

Reason for the No doors is due to the case loader on the progressive presses You usually cannot open doors and I'm a neat freak so I am not to concerned about clutter or unorganization. i also went with the open shelves infront of where im sitting on the bottoms for ease of grabbing things and because im concerned about mounting certain things and not being able to open the doors. I am most likely making my own doors and im even making all the handles for them. With the company i have and being a journeyman carpenter this is what i do everyday and i have all the possible tools to do it. As far as mounting they are all full back cabinets with a double nailer strip which is above and beyhond but since I am building them on my own Cnc machine and I'm only doing it Once these are going to be built like tanks. I have decided I'm going to do one of my custom tops on it and it will be more sturdy then granite. I am still undecided on T slot, Holes or just plain solid mounting stuff.

You are right at not really needing a footwell at the press but I do like being able to get right up where I prep cases or do any gun work. You cannot see in my picture but at my work stations there is a 4" top board to mount plugs into and I will have alot of plugs all the way around the top. I deal with alot of LED lighting so light will be No problems most rooms in my house You can probably see from space. I hate not having enough light anywhere.
 
You can get T track from Lee alley, Busy Bee, Canadian woodworker... I just screwed it in with wood screws every 6" but you could glue/epoxy it in as well. BCRider has some great ideas as well like the ribbon lights under the uppers and doors for the uppers but sometimes it is nice to have things you use often right in front of you, personal choice I guess. Also his suggestion of drawers is a good one. My wife thought I was crazy for how many drawers I put in our kitchen, I think she is crazy for filling them all. LOL.

I like the second set of drawings with the full height cabinets too.
 
Other than my own OCD'ism for putting doors on the open uppers I'd say this looks great. I would suggest turning one or two of the open shelf lowers you show in this last drawing into drawers though. Or is there a couple of drawer units on the piece with the front turned away? If there are then you likely have enough drawers. And in fact I'd say you have a nicely balanced combo of drawers, shelves and pantry units. In fact I'm getting envious.... :D

EDIT!- I was just reading more of your reply above the sketch about doors getting in the way of bullet and casing feeders. Clearly you thought things out and are using items I don't so the need for the open areas is now clear. I bow to your clarity.... :D

Again, remember that you want spots for the big stuff and long stuff. If the presses are on plates that fit in T slots or bolt in through a hole pattern it suggests that at some point you will move them out of the way. It would be nice to have an area in one of the pantry closet cabinets where they fit when not being used. And as major sized items with rather awkward shapes this means they need some special arrangement to let this work. For example, if all the plates are the same an open cabinet in the pantry or in one or two of the lower units could be set up with slotted side so the plates with the presses or other tooling slides into the slots like a rack in the oven. This makes it easy to put things away and to bring them out and to set up any sort of custom equipment layout as suitable for the stuff you're doing.

A great option for flooring depending on where your room will be is the tough long strip Allure flooring. In the basement it can go directly onto concrete. And upstairs it provides a tough and easily cleaned floor that is pretty well sealed by the self adhesive strips.

Mind you I'm glad I went with a foam vapour barrier and laminate flooring in my own basement. It's a LOT warmer on the feet. If you opt for this option for the same reason I'd suggest you get the style that fits tightly and cleanly together and not the stuff with the slight "V" joints. The V's are simply dust traps. In my wood working machine room I went with the tight fitting stuff and it's a fully breeze to sweep up dust and chips. But the other 3/4 of the basement, which includes my gun area, was already done in flooring that has the V joints. So I was pretty well stuck with it. It's OK but it would not be my first choice.

Trust me, when you have a nice area like you're planning cleaning becomes a lot easier and far more rewarding. I'm WAY more OCD about shop cleanliness and tidiness in these new areas than I ever was in the old crowded garage and dingy basement

Oh, one last thing. The garbage can. I didn't want garbage bins out where I'd trip over them so one of my lower units is a single slide out drawer with a box built into it so I can fit a good size garbage bag. And this one drawer is used so much that I opted for the Blum soft close drawer slides for the trash drawers. On top of this the trash units also have hinged upper panels that hinge outward for disposing of small items and so I can just open the flap and sweep the stuff off the counter and into the flap opening. You may want to do something similar.

And since you're going super deluxe already I'd look at installing some electric power in one of the pantry units and in the lower area of one put in a small air compressor then plumb the output up and out so a line with two or three fittings runs along under the upper cabinets. PEX pipe and fittings work great for this use. And if the compressor is connected with a flexible quick connect you can still remove it for use elsewhere.

My own compressor is controlled off an outlet that uses a bathroom timer to run it. I don't really ever need it for more than 1 hour anyway. And by having it run off a timer I don't get woken up with a start at 3am when it switches on. Also the tank doesn't end up filling up with condensate as quickly when it's only being used on occasion.

And give some consideration to some form of easy access vacuum cleaner and even a bit of vacuum plumbing. I missed that one in my own shops and now I'm paying for it by being stuck with a kick around floor model that is forever in the way.
 
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Compressor is a good idea I may have to but one in my mechanical room and run a line to the bench. Power is planned for in both upper cabinets which I have edited again. I will put revised plan up tomorrow. And Yes there is drawers on poising side it's a 36" unit with 5" drawers for the small reloading stuff. I Did plan on putting a couple under cabinet garbage slideouts but I haven't decided on there locations yet. The Flooring in the basement will be a epoxy stone floor with foot relief mat in all reloading area so won't even see the floor. But those foot relief mats are just so nice to have under your feet there warm and soft. I will most likely have a drag around vaccum due to my hatred for the hoses on a central vac.
 
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