bearkilr
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It usually takes over a year for injected animals to show signs of illness. People with cancer can be otherwise healthy as well.
CWD Officially in BC
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It usually takes over a year for injected animals to show signs of illness. People with cancer can be otherwise healthy as well.
And in some it is much longer. If the "experts" don't do something stupid the Deer able to fight it off longer will come to dominate breeding while those that succumb early will not be able to pass on their genes. Unless you guys don't believe in Evolution.
Everything from mice to trees eventually die of disease if they live long enough.
IronNoggin
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Yes, I am saying you are wrong.
No, I don't work for the government.
I am a retired marine biologist with more than a passing interest in the subject as I hunt southern Alberta frequently (decades).
Put a lot of time & effort into understanding this disease, and have read hundreds of peer reviewed studies on the matter.
As for you, I am still waiting your citations of the same...
Cheers
Hasn't it been proven that the disease can be spread through the feces of infected animals? If so it's too late by the time those two were identified .. considering how much a deer poops in a day and the range they browse, it's here. There will be infected pellets everywhere and the Prions? apparently stay active in the poop for a very long time.
IronNoggin
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Yes, I'll take that wager.
I did work for government to put myself through school - Alberta Fish & Wildlife and National Parks (Back Country Patrol).
Following that I did a lot of work alongside government biologists, but never directly for them.
Still waiting on those citations...
That's cool, a Biologist that doesn't believe in Evolution. Just remember that some random guy on the internet said CWD will be limited by soil acidity. I went to school with a fair number of people that now work for the Government, not one of them was/is as smart as me and many are unemployable outside the Government and these are the "decision makers".
"white-tailed deer (Odocoileus virginianus) that are heterozygous or homozygous for serine (S) at codon 96 of the PRNP gene showed reduced susceptibility to, and slower progression of, clinical CWD (Johnson et al. 2006, 2011; Miller et al. 2012). In mule deer (Odocoileus hemionus), S/phenylalanine (F) dimorphism at codon 225 (Brayton et al. 2004; Jewell et al. 2006) appears to have a similar influence, although S homozygosity at codon 225 leads to a more-rapid disease course (Fox et al. 2006). The time course of CWD infection after oral inoculation appeared prolonged, and deposition of CWD-associated PrP (PrPCWD) in the central nervous system tissues was delayed in 225SF mule deer compared with 225SS individuals (Fox et al. 2006). Moreover, 225SF and 225FF individuals may be underrepresented in mule deer populations as a whole (9.3%) but are even rarer among CWD-positive deer (0.3%; Jewell et al. 2006)."
IronNoggin
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Nowhere did I ever state that I do not believe in evolution so please refrain from putting words in my mouth.
The bolded section well states to your egocentric nature, and explains a lot of your posturing on this forum
While I thank you for the citation, and will look into it, I am done with you at this point as a consequence.
Cheers
IronNoggin
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Not at all.
I am done because of your rambling thoughts on prevention, how to go about that, and unwillingness to back that up beyond a random singular study on the potential of resistance. That while attempting to openly disparage anyone that disagrees with you, combined with your obvious egocentric nature, it's enough to put me off anything remotely close to informed discussion with you.
Final word.
Adios.
I think overpopulation of deer or elk in Canada is generally a myth. There are certainly some areas that have a high density but I wouldn't say they are overpopluated in the sense of being over the carrying capacity. Banff National Park would be the closest large ecosystem in Canada that would be close to it's carrying capacity, especially for elk.
I think having a bucks only season 4 year old or older buck only would go a long way to building up game populations. But one very cold winter with deep snow could easily wipe out gains made from quality deer management. That's why supplemental feed during harsh years is needed. That in itself would possibly contribute to CWD spread in certain areas endemic with the disease. But it would also have the effect of keeping herds healthier as they have good quality nutrition. Good quality nutrition through a harsh winter ensures does and cows have the physical strength and are in overall good health to carry twins through the winter and into the spring calving season.
As for antler restrictions biasing younger but more vigorous antler growing deer to be shot than other deer that have slower antler development, I don't think this would be the case. I am a very avid shed antler hunter and I can age most deer by their antlers. Most 3 year old deer will have at least one 5 point side. Most 2 year old deer will have either one or both sides as 4 points. Very few yearlings will have more than a 3 point frame and the odd one can have a small underdeveloped 4th point. But nutrition is a very important part of antler growth and structure.
I'd say the reason for very few older bucks in that wildlife management area that you are describing is because hunters are not holding off for older animals but they are harvesting younger bucks. If you came to either one of my wildlife properties I could show you how age structure works. As you get older, there are generally fewer animals. Precisely because it is so difficult to survive to old age. These animals require a hunter who is much more skilled and the time invested to successfully harvest a mature buck is measured in years.
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Everything the State says is a lie - Nietzsche
truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies - Churchill
These are especially relevant to people catching BSE from eating beef.
It's a virtual certainty that the "smart" people in BC are going to do the same stupid s**t that hasn't worked anywhere.
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The bolded part - we tried that in Saskatchewan in 1970's - we killed thousands by providing alfalfa pellets to them in feeders, all over the province - they died of constipation, so said the biologists that did the autopsies on the carcasses. I suppose one could feed them, but you would likely have to start way before you knew it was going to be "a very cold winter with lots of snow". As has been previously mentioned or alluded to - wild things in Western Canada have been doing okay for themselves for thousands of years - until "humans" thought they had a better idea and could "improve" things - like wipe out vast areas of predators, prohibit or encourage hunting, and so on. Was usually some human economic activity that was the beginning - a desire to raise cattle, or desire to drill for oil and gas, mining - roads, railways get built that inhibit wild things free movement - my brother near Grande Cache, Alberta tells me there is a significant gov't "cull" occurring to eradicate grizzly, wolf, cougars, etc. - to create a "safe calving ground" for their caribou. Makes me wonder where those caribou had their babies for tens of thousands of years, previously. BTW, that deer feeding escapade was a province wide initiative sponsored by the Saskatchewan Wildlife Federation.
Feeding them would do nothing to address their "yarding" behaviour in the bush - when lots of snow and cold - is likely that allows any disease to spread rapidly. Most common practice seems to make trails in snow with snowmobiles - pack down the snow and give them a way out - but that also allows the predators to get in there, easily - is my opinion to just let all of them be - is not likely we will "help" them. Was several farmers and ranchers I know who would just roll a round bail of hay down into coulee, or leave set near bush in field - lots of deer seen around there.
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Mrna shots? - dan
Large Language Models or AI is changing the speed of science that's for sure, and given that computation has been on an exponential growth rate since the early 40's the speed of advance at this point is far beyond what humans can probably comprehend.....
The MRNA gene therapy products were a bold new experiment that's for sure, despite all the "polio" crowed trying to tell us that it had been around for decades.
Another recent conversation I heard about the Spike Protein from the lab made "natural" infection and the New MRNA products was talking about prions which was kind of intersting if a bit hard to follow.... they even talked about CWD briefelly.
I believe many deer somehow got infected with covid ,who knows how it's effecting them.
