Yes my 452 Varmint in .22LR is pretty amazing. Even had an excellent trigger out of the box. Don't know why I even bought the YoDave. Good news is 2 of us got to install on 2 different Varmints. My trigger has got to be 1 oz or so. Popped a magpie at over 200m. He was merrily chomping on an earlier unlucky 100m gopher. My CZ has over 500 gophers on it this year.
CZ 22s
- Thread starter triggerman42
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Hi,
I'm new to CGN and have been trying to decide on a bolt-action .22LR - Anschutz vs CZ vs Cooper. It seems that some CZs require a variety of modifications/upgrades (from trigger springs to recrowning) to shoot their best. Does anyone have any experience with Anschutz and/or Cooper .22LRs and whether they also frequently require post-purchase modifications to be competitive target guns?
Thanks in advance!
I'm new to CGN and have been trying to decide on a bolt-action .22LR - Anschutz vs CZ vs Cooper. It seems that some CZs require a variety of modifications/upgrades (from trigger springs to recrowning) to shoot their best. Does anyone have any experience with Anschutz and/or Cooper .22LRs and whether they also frequently require post-purchase modifications to be competitive target guns?
Thanks in advance!
shotgunblonde
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I love CZ. They are nothing but quality. If someone has to do a bunch of mods to make the gun better, than its pure user error. My next purchase will be a CZ 513 because of consistant reliability and accuracy. Don't listen to the guys at the range. 
The question was asked about post purchase mods to Anschutz. Not necessary. They have great triggers. I 've owned/shot them for 45+ yrs. Also own a Cooper 57. It shoots just fine too. Trigger not to par w Annie. Have owned several CZ's. mod 452, 453, 2e; mostly varmint model. Like them. Left the triggers stock. But some improvements can be made to the triggers. Hope this helps some.
Welcome to CGN. A CZ bolt action is not a purpose built target rifle, although many can shoot fairly well. Anschutz made its reputation making target rifles. There is probably no other target rifle available new in Canada that can compete with Anschutz in terms of availability and variety of models.
""" Don't listen to the guys at the range ? """"" LOL , Why the heck not ? I know them , where as you are a stranger! Think about it ! Also , what they have said there , is pretty much echoed here if you read through the responses.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions , and opinions vary , but yodave certainly has been mentioned in MANY of the replies.
Not so much the pillar bedding , the aluminum mag wells , the trigger spring kits , or the hex head bolts.
I'm sure lots of guys have done everything including buying a torque screwdriver and played with torque relentlessly , looking for the sweet spot. Some have done absolutely nothing and their gun works fine. Some have done so much to their rifles they'r probably embarrassed about it . I have read it's kinda like a lottery when you buy one. About 70% of them are very respectable shooters.
About 15% of them shoot well above average . And about 15% are way below average. This to me sounds merely to be a quality control issue. You should NEVER have to recrown the muzzle of a new rifle.
And as far as the guy who said he has his trigger weight set to one ounce , I think that's both unnecessary , and unsafe on a hunting rifle.
I wouldn't want to be around a hunting rifle , in a hunting scenario , in the woods with a trigger that light. But that's just me. I'm old and set in my ways. Hunted for 45 years safely , and none of my buddies have holes in them. But that's just MY opinion.
You certainly have a right to your opinion , and set your trigger at 1 ounce or even lighter if that's what you think is good practice.
Hey SUPER TENERE , Just out of curiosity , Have you done a bump test on that one ounce trigger?
Everyone is entitled to their opinions , and opinions vary , but yodave certainly has been mentioned in MANY of the replies.
Not so much the pillar bedding , the aluminum mag wells , the trigger spring kits , or the hex head bolts.
I'm sure lots of guys have done everything including buying a torque screwdriver and played with torque relentlessly , looking for the sweet spot. Some have done absolutely nothing and their gun works fine. Some have done so much to their rifles they'r probably embarrassed about it . I have read it's kinda like a lottery when you buy one. About 70% of them are very respectable shooters.
About 15% of them shoot well above average . And about 15% are way below average. This to me sounds merely to be a quality control issue. You should NEVER have to recrown the muzzle of a new rifle.
And as far as the guy who said he has his trigger weight set to one ounce , I think that's both unnecessary , and unsafe on a hunting rifle.
I wouldn't want to be around a hunting rifle , in a hunting scenario , in the woods with a trigger that light. But that's just me. I'm old and set in my ways. Hunted for 45 years safely , and none of my buddies have holes in them. But that's just MY opinion.
You certainly have a right to your opinion , and set your trigger at 1 ounce or even lighter if that's what you think is good practice.
Hey SUPER TENERE , Just out of curiosity , Have you done a bump test on that one ounce trigger?
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Alright Triggerman, I think you've got the CZ situation pretty well figured out (you've done your research). The yodave kit includes trigger springs, since many here recommend it then you say you haven't seen much talk of trigger springs, just clarifying that for you. It has 4 springs from very light to heavy so you can tune your trigger just the way you like. A 10 oz trigger is about the practical low limit, and I'm sure that's what SUPER TENERE meant to say, a simple typo. I also have the Mr. Fly trigger and depending on tolerances, 3-4 oz is the practical low for that guy, so a factory trigger ain't goin down to 1 oz no matter what, you wouldn't be able to close the bolt and have the trigger set, it wouldn't hold the striker back.
It kinda depends on how far you want to go with the rifle and what your shooting goals are with it, as far as the other mods go. I pillar and bed nearly all my rifles as a matter of standard practice, and whether this results in improvement in a rifle that already has a well inletted stock is debatable, but once it's done it's no longer a question mark if you're leaving any accuracy on the table by not bedding. I kinda enjoy the work so it's a simple decision for me, if I didn't have the skills and had to pay someone else then I'd think twice about doing it for an otherwise factory spec rifle.
When people add all the other goodies to their CZ (like DIP trigger guard, magwell, hex bolts, etc) they're usually doing that in conjunction with a custom barrel. CZ is a great platform to custom build off of, and very fun if you are DIY inclined. My next project (that has been nearly a year in the making) is with a Boyds Pro-Varmint stock with adjustable comb. I've pillared it, reinforced the fore end (threaded rod epoxied into the inletting), got Mr. Fly trigger, hex head bolts, reduced power striker spring (these things are oversprung for .22 LR) and will be modding the striker tip. My gunsmith in the States says the barrel will be shipping this week so I can expect around 2 months wait now for the import process, and once received it will be index tested before glue in to the receiver, and finally I will bed it when the barrel is installed.
Here's the pillar/bedding I did for my Full Stock, and if you want to see how it shoots head over to RFC and Czech out the standings from the last few 100 yard monthly challenges.
And yes, I'd just like to reiterate that CZ are a lottery, big time. I got one good one out of 4. What I see is that they take no quality control measures to prevent poorly machined crowns and chambers from going out into circulation. You would be wise to inspect a prospective rifle before purchase, I realize that's not always possible (I had to order the Full Stock I wanted from another province), but when it comes to this brand, ya really gotta "Cover your rear" before you buy. I support Terry_g's findings about the crowns. This is inexcusable in a rifle of this cost.
It kinda depends on how far you want to go with the rifle and what your shooting goals are with it, as far as the other mods go. I pillar and bed nearly all my rifles as a matter of standard practice, and whether this results in improvement in a rifle that already has a well inletted stock is debatable, but once it's done it's no longer a question mark if you're leaving any accuracy on the table by not bedding. I kinda enjoy the work so it's a simple decision for me, if I didn't have the skills and had to pay someone else then I'd think twice about doing it for an otherwise factory spec rifle.
When people add all the other goodies to their CZ (like DIP trigger guard, magwell, hex bolts, etc) they're usually doing that in conjunction with a custom barrel. CZ is a great platform to custom build off of, and very fun if you are DIY inclined. My next project (that has been nearly a year in the making) is with a Boyds Pro-Varmint stock with adjustable comb. I've pillared it, reinforced the fore end (threaded rod epoxied into the inletting), got Mr. Fly trigger, hex head bolts, reduced power striker spring (these things are oversprung for .22 LR) and will be modding the striker tip. My gunsmith in the States says the barrel will be shipping this week so I can expect around 2 months wait now for the import process, and once received it will be index tested before glue in to the receiver, and finally I will bed it when the barrel is installed.
Here's the pillar/bedding I did for my Full Stock, and if you want to see how it shoots head over to RFC and Czech out the standings from the last few 100 yard monthly challenges.
And yes, I'd just like to reiterate that CZ are a lottery, big time. I got one good one out of 4. What I see is that they take no quality control measures to prevent poorly machined crowns and chambers from going out into circulation. You would be wise to inspect a prospective rifle before purchase, I realize that's not always possible (I had to order the Full Stock I wanted from another province), but when it comes to this brand, ya really gotta "Cover your rear" before you buy. I support Terry_g's findings about the crowns. This is inexcusable in a rifle of this cost.
Your gripes about CZ will apply "doubly" so (or more) to any other brand you can choose... I have owned and shot most of them over the past 50 years. At that price point, CZ makes an excellent product. You are more likely to get a problem free, accurate rifle from CZ than just about any other manufacturer in the world... even at a price point several hundred dollars higher.
RabidM4U5 . You speak from experience . I have never owned one , and am just trying to get this CZ story straight in my mind before I'd consider buying one. You've owned several , and by the way , nice job on the bedding on that full stock . Very professional looking !
Nice work !
Nice work !
nowarningshot
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
This in a nutshell. People will always tinker, it's simply human nature. Mostly it's blaming the arrow not the Indian.
Cz are sitting pretty between low end plinkers and dedicated competition rifles like Anschutz(sp).
Shooter_01
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- Durham Region, Ontario
My thoughts, as well.
Agreed! CZ's have been consistently excellent in my experience.
I just had my452(22lr) out this morning. First time firing it, new gun. Put about 300-350 rounds through it. Did the yodave trigger spring and spacer(?). I'm pretty happy with it. Very consistant with all sorts of standard velocity ammo. Zero issues. With no tweaking other than the trigger kit( which it didn't really need) it would Shoot as I well as I have ever shot. Best group was around 3/8" (5 shots@ 50-60 yards) with federal target. No doubt this gun will put Them together better.
If by reading reviews , and trying to become informed is a bad thing , I'm guilty.
But that's why I started this thread , to hear more opinions.
Here's your chance to tell everybody how great they are , if that's what you think.
I'm kind of in the same boat. I do a lot of shooting 22s on my property and have been thinking of getting one really good .22 as I usually only shoot .22 trainers with open sights. I'm leaning towards a 452 varmint if I can find one. I have zero experience shooting cz 22s so this has been very helpful info. Probably going to pick something up around Christmas.
Trevor
Trevor
What I have spent on CZ's and getting them to shoot would have financed an Anschutz 1710 or 1712 although I am almost ready to put my 1416D HB up against the BR50 sporter class but will have to find someone to shoot it as I will be busy shooting the Remington 40XB.
Shot the 1416 yesterday at 100 yards and through two sets of targets scored a 587-24X and 588-27X in a wind that was changing ribbon direction before the flag would turn.
Shot the 1416 yesterday at 100 yards and through two sets of targets scored a 587-24X and 588-27X in a wind that was changing ribbon direction before the flag would turn.
