Honestly, that barrel lug sort of bothered me at first when I discovered it. After piles of accuracy testing that faded away with the insane results I got out of this rifle. I am not even bothered by it now. ive thought of doing a rebarrel slapping a shirt stainless bull barrel on it but she shoots so good right now I don't wanna take away from that. I don't know how anybody would want to buy any other bolt action under a grand even over the 452. Best Bang for the $!
CZ 452 Varmint accuracy, and the barrel lug... opinions?
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But grauhanen..... My CZ 455 shoots under 1" at 100 with Remington Thunderbolts! Look, it happened once!
Full disclosure: that was an anomalous cluster from a 50 shot grouping
What we have are people witnessing a fluke occurrence of exceptional groupings at 100 yards, they assume the rifle is always so capable if they just "do their part" and so they go on claiming such performance, yet are unable to reproduce the results when asked. Wasn't somebody recently claiming consistent 0.2's at 100 yards too? They got extremely upset for being unable to repeat the performance and I do believe have sent the rifle in question off to someone else to "see what they can do with it". I have to admit, it is mildly entertaining 
Reality check: Anschütz 64 MSR, can't shoot consistent 0.2's and 0.3's at 50 yards, so I'm not going to say it can shoot consistent 0.3's at 100 by the virtues of having attained one such grouping alone. It was simply an enjoyable culmination of rifle, ammo, wind and shooter coming together for a moment in time amongst multiple less than satisfactory attempts. You will also note one of the finest .22LR ammos available, Lapua X-Act, shown here nearly always exceeds 0.3" vertical spread per grouping. Those consistent 0.2's seem far fetched, indeed, what mystical ammunition was used?
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So the general consensus seems to be that the barrel lug is a moot point, and that I'm over-analyzing this. Both statements (especially the latter) sound accurate to me lol. Thank you for all the responses!
Last question... does anyone have any opinions and/or experiences on 455 Varmint vs 452 Varmint? All anecdotal evidence and personal gripes are welcome.
Last question... does anyone have any opinions and/or experiences on 455 Varmint vs 452 Varmint? All anecdotal evidence and personal gripes are welcome.
I'll help put this in perspective. Prior to buying my 452 Varmint last summer, I was on the fence about cutting my losses and buying an Anschutz. I really don't regret buying the CZ, it saved me at least $1500, probably closer to $2500 since I doubt I would have stopped short of a 54 Anschutz. I'll clarify that statement.. while it may not be as accurate as a 54, and maybe some 64s, it's still a good shooting .22 rifle, very good value for the price. Accuracy numbers are highly subjective, since ammunition quality and shooter skill level are huge factors in that formula.
I don't think the barrel lug will cause you any grief, just be sure it's free to slide without being too sloppy. All it really does is help carry the weight of the bull barrel.
My rifle isn't bedded and pillared.
I don't think the barrel lug will cause you any grief, just be sure it's free to slide without being too sloppy. All it really does is help carry the weight of the bull barrel.
My rifle isn't bedded and pillared.
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I've had a 452 THV for a few years and the only modification done is a YoDave trigger kit. Accuracy with only RWS Club and SK Standard Plus is superb... I fail the works frequently but it has been used on everything from drilling pests under 100 yards to silhouette shooting out to 200 yards.
Mine has a lug too, I was a bit worried about it as it's something else to fiddle with. But it's just that, mess around with it or take it off if your not getting the results you want or expect. It's a non issue, the CZ guys at RFC can be a bit too hardcore.
My whole rifle is stock but removed the trigger spring nut, I forget what I snugged the lug up but it's not much at all. And by the way it will shoot "bulk" type ammo under moa at 100 90% of the time. Just cause a few posters on here can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done...
My whole rifle is stock but removed the trigger spring nut, I forget what I snugged the lug up but it's not much at all. And by the way it will shoot "bulk" type ammo under moa at 100 90% of the time. Just cause a few posters on here can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done...
I really like CZ 452 rifles. I have owned several over the past decade and even though the accuracy is acceptable out of the box I haven't run across one yet that doesn't benefit from a good glass bedding job and a trigger rework kit.
My present go to rifle is the CZ452 American chambered in 22WMR. I chose this rifle because I like the extra performance of the WMR. Great on Rabbits and Coyotes out to 200 meters.
I recently sold a Lux in 22 lr. It shot well but not exceptionally. It needed glass bedding and a trigger job to really perform.
My present go to rifle is the CZ452 American chambered in 22WMR. I chose this rifle because I like the extra performance of the WMR. Great on Rabbits and Coyotes out to 200 meters.
I recently sold a Lux in 22 lr. It shot well but not exceptionally. It needed glass bedding and a trigger job to really perform.
I don't believe that anyone has a magic .22LR off-the-shelf rifle that shoots bulk ammo MOA at 100 yards 90% of the time. The odds that anyone has such a rifle and bulk ammo combination are staggeringly slim. Even the best shooters can't do it because it is statistically impossible with bulk ammo. It is in fact very difficult to do with a stock CZ 452 with good match ammo. The reason I take exception to claims like this is because it gives readers false impressions. Those who may not know better may come to wrongly believe that a stock sporting rifle like a CZ can shoot MOA at 100 yards consistently and regularly with bulk ammo.
But to be fair to you, and to put doubters (like me) in their place, why don't you show us ten groups of five shots at 100 yards with the bulk ammo of your choice. If any five of them -- let alone nine of them -- are MOA, I'll figuratively eat my hat by saying I was wrong. You would go down in history as the guy with the luckiest stock CZ 452 Varmint shooting the most extraordinary bulk ammo.
Hey CanuckShooter~I wouldn't sweat most of what you've read in the previous posts here, they're superb guns for the money. Without rival in this price range if you ask me. I fall into the category of shooters who aren't looking for sub MOA out of my 22 using match-grade ammo...nor do I have any intention of bedding the thing unless I'm really bored someday down the road. Allot of threads turn into pissing matches for some reason but at the end of the day, I have to wonder how many guys are really after that with field guns...and how many guys are like me~shooting 22s for fun, or for pest work where the stakes aren't high at all. I do think any new 22 (any rifle at all) deserves a day at the range to determine what ammo it likes most and for me...CZ 452s/BRNO's will reveal that pretty quickly. Most rimfire shooters I know will leave it at that, and focus on fun from then on.
Everything I've read (and I've read allot) suggests they can be tweaked/improved if you so desire, but part of spending CZ-level money (over Savage, Marlin, etc.) means you're probably getting a gun that doesn't need it. In other words, if you want to try and squeeze every shred of accuracy potential out of it..you might. However, it probably doesn't require it to meet the needs of 99% of shooters.
Go get the thing!
Everything I've read (and I've read allot) suggests they can be tweaked/improved if you so desire, but part of spending CZ-level money (over Savage, Marlin, etc.) means you're probably getting a gun that doesn't need it. In other words, if you want to try and squeeze every shred of accuracy potential out of it..you might. However, it probably doesn't require it to meet the needs of 99% of shooters.
Go get the thing!
Broad and bold statement. Can you please back up the results with some group's at moa or under.I would love to see the results. You must be an Olympic class shooter to get 90 % under moa at 100 and bulk ammo. I am clearly doing something wrong in my shooting practice.
I have quite a few CZ's even tho I sold some. I did some testing with the barrel lug torque on my 452 Varmint, and found out that it grouped best with the lug removed, and the action screw very thight. Doing so free float my barrel right up to the action.
It shoots VERY good.
I did the same with my 452 Silhouette (which has a barrel lug too), and it shoots even better than my Varmint, in fact my 452 Silhouette is my best 452 shooter. I had an American that I traded on an Anschutz 1416, I had a Lux that I sold for a Trap shotgun.
I still have a Full Stock, Scout, Varmint, Silhouette in 22lr. A Varmint in 17HMR and an American in 17m2. All are 452's
Althought I love my Annie 1416, I regret selling my American 22lr, it was the model with walnut stock and deep gloss receiver. I'd like to find another one.
It shoots VERY good.
I did the same with my 452 Silhouette (which has a barrel lug too), and it shoots even better than my Varmint, in fact my 452 Silhouette is my best 452 shooter. I had an American that I traded on an Anschutz 1416, I had a Lux that I sold for a Trap shotgun.
I still have a Full Stock, Scout, Varmint, Silhouette in 22lr. A Varmint in 17HMR and an American in 17m2. All are 452's
Althought I love my Annie 1416, I regret selling my American 22lr, it was the model with walnut stock and deep gloss receiver. I'd like to find another one.
What part of Ab are you from, I would like to see this and pick up some pointers! Maybe you can shoot my CZ to show me what I am doing wrong.
Hey wcat~no fair...you have 3 rifles that are on my "must have" list.
Please message me about 4 months before you're ready to sell the 17M2 or FS. Just noticed where you live too under your username~a place with great fishing! I think you're doing things right...
Hey wcat~no fair...you have 3 rifles that are on my "must have" list.
Yeah, still have your PM in my inbox "just in case". I don't forget.
Maybe he doesn't realize 1 MOA at 100 = 1.0472"? I can't even hit 90% under 1 MOA with Lapua Midas +! 50-60 fps ES with "match" ammo precludes it from happening. "Practice" ammo with 80-100 fps ES is going to average over 1.5-2" for sure, bulk ammo shoots less than 1 MOA 90% of the time? Is this a joke?
I'd still be impressed if Mr. tuffbuff could shoot 9/10 5 shot groups under 1/2" at 50 yards, the 1 MOA equivalent, where the difficulty factor is reduced by a factor of about 3x since wind drift and bullet drop due to velocity variance will be greatly reduced. Go ahead sir, do so with you "bulk" ammo of choice.
Hard to believe, yes...impossible...no.
About 2 years ago hometownhero advertised MOA accuracy at 50 with his CZ and Winchester 222/333/555. I could never come close to MOA with any "good" hi velocity ammo such as minimags, etc but I thought it was easy enough to try. Sure enough, 2 of my CZs (452 Full Stock and 452 Silhouette, both with barrel lugs BTW...) love this stuff and shoot this bulk MOA at 50yd, I would guess 80% of times (5 shot groups). Believe it or not....that's up to you to decide. You bet I was rushing back to my Canadian Tire to buy more.
Kody
About 2 years ago hometownhero advertised MOA accuracy at 50 with his CZ and Winchester 222/333/555. I could never come close to MOA with any "good" hi velocity ammo such as minimags, etc but I thought it was easy enough to try. Sure enough, 2 of my CZs (452 Full Stock and 452 Silhouette, both with barrel lugs BTW...) love this stuff and shoot this bulk MOA at 50yd, I would guess 80% of times (5 shot groups). Believe it or not....that's up to you to decide. You bet I was rushing back to my Canadian Tire to buy more.
Kody
