Will a deer say ,"hold on a minute I'm at 300 yards ,haven't you read the charts" The deer will not be able to tell the difference between 900+ ft lbs or 1000 for that matter..........statistics on paper.Any volunteers want to stand safely at 300 ? Don't worry it will hardly break the skin...................Harold
CZ 527, 7.62x39 success
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Energy vs trajectory (and to a lesser, more variable degree, penetration) have an interesting relationship... definitely not linear, and that does not even speak to the relationship of distance vs accuracy vs shooter ability, which also are not linear... in particular distance vs shooter ability.
I will await the 400 yard 7.62X39 kill shot with bated breath... once the freezer is empty.
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A lone Mulie. Kneeling and using a tight sling for stability I put the crosshairs of my Weaver 1-3x set at 3x about a foot over it's back and fired. The bullet struck through the brisket, it took a couple of steps and keeled over. An SKS that delivered very good accuracy, some do. Shot sub-inch groups at 100 yards off the bench with Winchester factory loads. Relatively easy shot. Field marksmanship skills acquired through training and practice. 
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A lone Mulie. Kneeling and using a tight sling for stability...
"I put the crosshairs of my Weaver 1-3x set at 3x about a foot over it's back and fired. The bullet struck through the brisket"
... it took a couple of steps and keeled over. An SKS that delivered very good accuracy, some do. Shot sub-inch groups at 100 yards off the bench with Winchester factory loads. Relatively easy shot. Field marksmanship skills acquired through training and practice.
That is not "good accuracy"... that is dumbazz luck... sheesh, "about a foot over it's back"... and died when "struck through the brisket???"
Deadly little round on Deer-sized game in the hands of a skilled shooter.
Roger that, a well placed shot is far better than a cannon gut shot. If you can't hit it, don't shoot it... ive tracked far more wounded game from buddies poorly placed 7mm rum than x39. Between that and bullet choice, the x39 is a fine round, ask yourself how many moose have been taken with 30 30 and 303, and even 22. Depends on where you hit an animal more than potential energy, anytime your bullet does a thru and thru you are wasting energy, and not expanding to create a wound channel. As long as you don't fall below the minimum velocity to expand your bullet choice it's all good. 243 is a great medium distance round, but imho I've seen them explode just below the skin at close range with no penetration. Placement and bullet, i would have no issues with a 300+ shot with a x39, 45 cal 230 gr ml pistol bullets are good to 250 or better, now that's artillery!
Thanks, saved for future reference. Damn I wish I could retire sooner and get on all these projects! Too bad a 30 cal ball wouldn't seat in the case... wait a minute... anybody know what 00 buck is diameter wise? Shooting thru a bolt gun... hmmm
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Been tempted to try my souped-up x39 No.1 handload on Moose. But maybe questionable whether it has enough poop to take out the shoulder and spinal chord. Then there's the chance of calling in a Grizzly...
OK screw it bad idea.
OK screw it bad idea.
Certainly better than banging a fry pan if the grizzly is close! And with five rounds that's the equivalent of a 50 bmg... well placed of courseBeen tempted to try my souped-up x39 No.1 handload on Moose. But maybe questionable whether it has enough poop to take out the shoulder and spinal chord. Then there's the chance of calling in a Grizzly...
OK screw it bad idea.
SKS with military FMJ rounds has, and will continue to serve as, a large predator protection system for some time now in the eastern parts of Russia.
I have often thought that m43 FMJ rounds would more than do as poor man's "dangerous game solids" on game. The round is known for penetrating over 12" before tumbling, not so good for a thin human but on a large bear? I would think ideal. And real world usage seems to confirm this.
A few quick FMJ rounds dumped into a problem bear at close range works.
I have often thought that m43 FMJ rounds would more than do as poor man's "dangerous game solids" on game. The round is known for penetrating over 12" before tumbling, not so good for a thin human but on a large bear? I would think ideal. And real world usage seems to confirm this.
A few quick FMJ rounds dumped into a problem bear at close range works.
Been tempted to try my souped-up x39 No.1 handload on Moose. But maybe questionable whether it has enough poop to take out the shoulder and spinal chord. Then there's the chance of calling in a Grizzly...
OK screw it bad idea.
this is exactly why i like my custom shorty no1 mkIII lee enfield .303 for using as a moose calling rifle. 10 rounds of 180grain at the ready for whatever might show up to the calls LOL
Been tempted to try my souped-up x39 No.1 handload on Moose. But maybe questionable whether it has enough poop to take out the shoulder and spinal chord. Then there's the chance of calling in a Grizzly...
OK screw it bad idea.
So... care to share your "souped up No.1 handload?" The case only has so much capacity, and I am compressing loads now for my M77 MKII.
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Applicable to my x39 Ruger No.1 only. Characteristics for enhanced performance peculiar to this rifle: falling block action strength and generous throat length. My high performance handloads aren't intended for a bolt action or autoloader because of bolt lock-up strength limitations.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1619777-High-performance-7-62x39
Fascinating stuff. Chamber and barrel stress level determination using strain gauges to follow.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1619777-High-performance-7-62x39
Fascinating stuff. Chamber and barrel stress level determination using strain gauges to follow.
Applicable to my x39 Ruger No.1 only. Characteristics for enhanced performance peculiar to this rifle: falling block action strength and generous throat length. My high performance handloads aren't intended for a bolt action or autoloader because of bolt lock-up strength limitations.
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1619777-High-performance-7-62x39
Fascinating stuff. Chamber and barrel stress level determination using strain gauges to follow.
I have owned and loaded for dozens of No.1's... I am well versed when it comes to this action... but my point was, that I am currently loading as hot (over capacity, compressed) as the cartridge will allow for my M77... so what powder, charge and bullet equals a "super load" that will do more than what I am currently shooting? Or do you think that because it is a No.1 it somehow increases the load output? How is your hot load "hotter" than my hot load out of your 22" No.1 as opposed to my 22" M77?
I posted this before but I shot a white-tailed buck uphill at 304 yards with my Ruger Hawkeye Compact in 7.62x39 with a 123gr Hornady SP. It went through both lungs and exited the far side. The deer went 15 yards and laid down for a long sleep.
I am curious to see his response to this...
