CZ 858 update

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So to put is simply,
Importation of the cz858 rifle has been blocked until further notice, possibly forever.

However for the individual cz858 owner the FRT has not been pulled and cz858 owners can still enjoy their rifles and won't get in trouble for possessing a prohibited firearm.

Is this correct? If not please correct me.
 
This deserves a sternly worded letter. Who exactly should be included in the list of recipients? Being as how this is an importation issue, I'm not sure who presides over that particular kingdom.

Though, I suppose here there's a tremendous difference between the exact nature of why these shipments were rejected. Were they CZ858 rifles as we know them(the same as the nonrestricted rifles in the country already) and the verification lab stated they were prohibited, or were they some other rifle or a mistaken shipment of converted auto receivers, or even just a manufacturer error such as damaged or missing serial numbers. I'd imagine it's easy for the "Z" to look like a "7" and some monkey just googles "C7" and thinks they're select fire military rifles, though that's pure speculation on my part.

If you could clarify the exact reason, it would help for us to be able to raise a stink about it. If we band together we might get this changed, the same as the backdoor registry issue, if this does in fact turn out to be an attempt at a backdoor ban.

Or should I just copy the letter to everyone in Ottawa?
 
^^Wolverine is still waiting for their answer, they have no idea other than its "prohibited". That boils down to a lot of things, would be nice if they where more specific (not wolverine the RCMP lab). Im not overly worried about it (yet). Some one else will import them, and they will come back in to the country. When and who is the question Im curious about.
 
So to put is simply,
Importation of the cz858 rifle has been blocked until further notice, possibly forever.

However for the individual cz858 owner the FRT has not been pulled and cz858 owners can still enjoy their rifles and won't get in trouble for possessing a prohibited firearm.

Is this correct? If not please correct me.

In my opinion, I think you are correct.
 
For five years I was a Director with the CSSA for ten years I was a Provincial President of the NFA so I have some inside experience with these organisations. My comments are not directed at any one personally but these organisation lack strong direction and leadership, there are always petty power struggles and back stabbing, there is no clear agenda! Yes I have to agree with you a gun toting Messiah would be very welcome right now.

A gun toting Messiah you say? I may have discovered such a man after 10 minutes in photoshop.
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In all seriousness, this is quite unfortunate for Wolverine. Hopefully this could be resolved somehow with the RCMP.
 
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This deserves a sternly worded letter. Who exactly should be included in the list of recipients? Being as how this is an importation issue, I'm not sure who presides over that particular kingdom.

Though, I suppose here there's a tremendous difference between the exact nature of why these shipments were rejected. Were they CZ858 rifles as we know them(the same as the nonrestricted rifles in the country already) and the verification lab stated they were prohibited, or were they some other rifle or a mistaken shipment of converted auto receivers, or even just a manufacturer error such as damaged or missing serial numbers. I'd imagine it's easy for the "Z" to look like a "7" and some monkey just googles "C7" and thinks they're select fire military rifles, though that's pure speculation on my part.

If you could clarify the exact reason, it would help for us to be able to raise a stink about it. If we band together we might get this changed, the same as the backdoor registry issue, if this does in fact turn out to be an attempt at a backdoor ban.

Or should I just copy the letter to everyone in Ottawa?

I have nothing concrete so I would advise you to get political active, get involved with the Conservative policy meetings and their annual convention.
 
^^Wolverine is still waiting for their answer, they have no idea other than its "prohibited". That boils down to a lot of things, would be nice if they where more specific (not wolverine the RCMP lab). Im not overly worried about it (yet). Some one else will import them, and they will come back in to the country. When and who is the question Im curious about.

There will not be any more CZ 858 coming into Canada as Wolverine Supplies is the exclusive Canadian importer. We are already (have been for many months!) working on the new CZ 958 but no details at this time and it will be approx. a 12 months before they will be available for sale, we have a lot of hoops to jump through first.
 
This goes way beyond gunowner rights. Tyrannical powermongers have seized every lever of power in society and are hellbent
on destroying ALL of our freedoms. Simply look around. All freedom-lovers have to be recruited to the cause, before it's
too late. It's true that using "remedies" that the gov't controls is futile. Their only interest is total control and domination
over the population.
Natural rights MUST be restored.
Read:
"What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they call subject to their power. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to subject all other men to their will and their service. It is the assumption by one man, or body of men, of a right to abolish outright all the natural rights, all the natural liberty of all other men; to make all other men their slaves; to arbitrarily dictate to all other men what they may, and may not, do; what they may, and may not, have; what they may, and may not, be. It is, in short, the assumption of a right to banish the principle of human rights, the principle of justice itself, from off the earth, and set up their own personal will, pleasure, and interest in its place. All this, and nothing less, is involved in the very idea that there can be any such thing as human legislation that is obligatory upon those upon whom it is imposed. "
-Lysander Spooner
 
For what it's worth, thank you Wolverine for all your efforts.

You were always one of my favorite sponsors and your willingness to make this outrage right just reaffirms it once again.
 
and it continues.

call your MPs guy


You think we haven't? Merve Tweed who was our MP has moved on to new things. The Minister for Public safety sent me a letter just days before he resigned. As I understand it the CBSA and RCMP were reporting to "our leaders" even before I approached them.
 
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Thanks for the work you do Wolverine.

While I have personal preferences (positive and negative) with businesses to work and deal with - I consider ALL businesses doing much more to protect firearms rights than any politician or political group.

Growing the market is the best way to protect gun rights - as market momentum has a funny way of demolishing government opposition to it.

The solution to this problem isn't political. The Tories won their majority, gave lip service to gun owners by abolishing a defunct system that was a sink-hole of money - but realistically was just a number, within a line-item within their budget. Now they can write canned letter responses to anyone asking them anything about guns reminding them of the realistically trivial change they've implemented, all the while doing nothing to prevent individuals and businesses from getting steamrolled by the massive abomination or regulation, red tape, and unaccountable agencies the government has created over the past 50 years.

Also, the RCMP make too much money issuing licenses for the any one in the government to pay attention too. All letter writing and political donations do is reassure the crooks in the CPC that they can democracy their way to power - and further their goal to further consolidate power and create more institutions that trounce on the rights of little guy. I think it's a waste of time, and my efforts are best spent accumulating more wealth, investing that wealth in more guns and ammo (building up businesses like yourself), and introducing more and more people to shooting.

The thing is, having more businesses bringing in cool guns at low prices and more individuals willing to buy them is the solution - not a gun-toting messiah. No single individual or organized group of individuals will win this fight - nor should they. If those individuals or group gets taken down - then what? The cause is lost.

A disassociated group acting out of their own self interest towards a general common goal is what is needed. This is a revolution - and furthermore, it is a revolution that cannot be stopped.

It is very unfortunate what happened with the 858, but reading your posts Wolverine, I think you made and are making the right decision. Move on to the next project - carry on business as normal - keep providing the service needed to keep this market alive.

People like you are the REAL heroes in this fight - not schiester politicians, political lobbyists or even those who think political involvement will ever result in any meaningful change.

All politic involvement does is reinforce the government's stake to influence through greater centralization of power through violent or fraudulent coercion. Non-political involvement is the rejection of this idea - and my assertion that it is what has the best chance of bringing about the most positive change.

So to anyone else reading this - don't waste time writing to (or even calling) your MP. Go work for an hour at your job, earn your hourly wage, then order something from Wolverine (I ordered 3 858 cleaning kits a few weeks back - a consolation gift for Mike from Canmore over the loss of his High River residence) or take an acquaintance out shooting for the first time with your (or one of Mike's) 858(s).

You will be happier, and you can rest assured that you made a meaningful contribution to protect your rights (more so than if you spent that hour or the money you would have made in that hour writing a letter or sending the money to a political party who doesn't give a crap about you).
 
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You think we haven't? Merve Tweed who was our MP has moved on to new things. The Minister for Public safety sent me a later just days before he resigned. As I understand it the CBSA and RCMP were reporting to "our leaders" even before I approached them.
Was directed at the masses, I assume you have done all you can
 
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