CZ 97 for IPSC or IDPA
- Thread starter tbooker
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I don't fully understand the rules but from a quick look can I not enter in Enhanced Service Pistol Division, 43oz or Custom Defensive Pistol Division, 41oz with the CZ-97B. Like I said I don't know very much about this yet so any direction would be appriciated.
No. The gun has a full length dust cover. Because it does it must make weight for SSP ie 39oz. before it can be shot in either of the other two divisions. The gun weighs more than 39oz and I know of no way it can be made to make weight unfortunately.
I am sorry but for now the 97B cannot be shot in IDPA.
Take Care
Bob
I am sorry but for now the 97B cannot be shot in IDPA.
Take Care
Bob
CZUB states the gun does not make the 39oz limit but CZUSA says the gun makes the weight limit...
For any that are actually interested I ended up weighing mine and it does appear to make weight right out of the box. Pictures and breakdown can be found here http://www.czforumsite.info/index.php?topic=21854.0
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- Halifax - NS
http://www.ipsc.org/proddiv.php
The CZ97B is IPSC production legal (it's on thelist above)- so you can shoot it in production,
but you can also shoot it in Standard division - where it's 45ACP ammo will score Major Power Factor.
Your choice - Have fun!
The CZ97B is IPSC production legal (it's on thelist above)- so you can shoot it in production,
but you can also shoot it in Standard division - where it's 45ACP ammo will score Major Power Factor.
Your choice - Have fun!
z1bam
The gun weighs 1150 grams or 40.57 ounces which is to heavy for SSP, a division it must make before it it allowed to play. I am sorry but you are wrong. As it now stands the 97B cannot be shot in IDPA an any division. The gun must be weighed with an empty mag installed.
Take Care
Bob Bonenfant
Area Coordinator - Canada
The gun weighs 1150 grams or 40.57 ounces which is to heavy for SSP, a division it must make before it it allowed to play. I am sorry but you are wrong. As it now stands the 97B cannot be shot in IDPA an any division. The gun must be weighed with an empty mag installed.
Take Care
Bob Bonenfant
Area Coordinator - Canada
The CZ USA site states a 2.4lbs weight which is 38.4 ounces... I have produced evidence a CZ97B makes weight... but I am wrong? (PS when you sign off as "area coordinator - Canada"... are you the prime minister or something?)
Is it IDPA's stance to take whatever weight they feel like that is published or is there calibrated scales available at every match and every shooter must 'weigh in' at each match to ensure each competitors gun makes the weight limit???
What you have stated above appear to only approve guns based on a 'blanket' weight for any particular model, which by extension would mean that there is no 'legal' way to reduce the weight of a pistol for competition.
Weigh your gun with an empty mag in it. Life is simple, why make it harder?
You will find the gun weighs more than 39oz. Get the weight down below that and you are good to go.
I and others have explored ways to get the weight down and haven't found a method yet. If you do please let us know.
"s it IDPA's stance to take whatever weight they feel like that is published or is there calibrated scales available at every match and every shooter must 'weigh in' at each match to ensure each competitors gun makes the weight limit???"
No we just weigh the gun at matches. Simple. We don't use published weights on web sites. If it is overweight it doesn't play.
I own a 97B and would love to shoot it in IDPA but the gun just weighs to much.
Take Care
Bob
You will find the gun weighs more than 39oz. Get the weight down below that and you are good to go.
I and others have explored ways to get the weight down and haven't found a method yet. If you do please let us know.
"s it IDPA's stance to take whatever weight they feel like that is published or is there calibrated scales available at every match and every shooter must 'weigh in' at each match to ensure each competitors gun makes the weight limit???"
No we just weigh the gun at matches. Simple. We don't use published weights on web sites. If it is overweight it doesn't play.
I own a 97B and would love to shoot it in IDPA but the gun just weighs to much.
Take Care
Bob
Raks
CZUB has the weight at 1150 grams which is about what my gun weighs. The problem is the gun has to weigh 39oz. What CZ USA wants to publish as the weight of the gun is up to them. I suspect their weight does not include a magazine.
Take Care
Bob
CZUB has the weight at 1150 grams which is about what my gun weighs. The problem is the gun has to weigh 39oz. What CZ USA wants to publish as the weight of the gun is up to them. I suspect their weight does not include a magazine.
Take Care
Bob
Mine came stock at below 39oz but you are saying that I am wrong? You stated the gun is not allowed for IDPA even when it is shown it 'does/can' make weight...
Dont get me wrong now, I'm fine with IDPA turning away shooters and telling them to go the IPSC route... it just seems suspect that:
IDPA's first two principals maintain the sport is about testing a shooters ability with self-defense equipment, and given that the cz97 is not designed as a competition pistol and that it has been shown to be under the weight limit therefore it appears to comply with the rules, yet IDPA Canada will turn away a shooter who wants to compete with the gun because your 'personal' gun may or may not make weight (you never did state how you determined the gun is over the weight limit)?
Edit: Bob knows about the pictures and thread on czforms months ago as if you follow the link you can see he replied to the thread there as well.
IF you have a 97B that weighs less than 39oz good on you. This isn't the case wih all 97B's I can assure you. I know about your post on the CZ foum. If YOUR gun wighs 39oz of less with a mag inserted you are good to go. Don't assume they all do because they don't. I wish they did. I said as much on the CZ forum. I also asked you what year your gun was made on that forum. I still would like to know. It would be good information for others to know as well as it may be from a different run and we can look for that run when buying a 97B. Mine was made in 2007.
Take Care
Bob
Everyone: It appears IDPA has a liberal in the ranks as what they message the public is different than what they message individuals... I just received a pm from 'Bob' stating:
"Hi
Your gun weighs to much. Sorry but it does. I have tried to get mine under the 39 oz and I no of no way to get it down. "
It appears that IDPA canada does not want to honor their own rule of weighing the gun at the matches...
If you would have taken the time to read my reply on czforums you would find this question was answered back in March...
Edit: In continuing the discussion on why there may be a discrepancy between the weights it would have been helpful for you to post the component weights of your pistol to narrow down the difference to a part and then we could have compared components to determine the reason.
The offer is still open for you as I still have all my weights from the original thread.
z1bam
You just don't get it do you. Your 97B makes weight and is good to go. I can tell you for a fact most don't, and yours is the first I have seen that does make weight. I asked you above and ask you again to tell us what year your gun was made. It would help other shooters who wish to buy and use a 97B in IDPA. The 2007 run of guns I have seen do not make weight.
The point you should know is the rule is applied to the gun presented at the match not by the fact your gun makes weight or some web site posts a weight for the gun. As you have pointed out above CZ UB published weight for the gun is different than that on the CZ USA web site.
Take Care
Bob
You just don't get it do you. Your 97B makes weight and is good to go. I can tell you for a fact most don't, and yours is the first I have seen that does make weight. I asked you above and ask you again to tell us what year your gun was made. It would help other shooters who wish to buy and use a 97B in IDPA. The 2007 run of guns I have seen do not make weight.
The point you should know is the rule is applied to the gun presented at the match not by the fact your gun makes weight or some web site posts a weight for the gun. As you have pointed out above CZ UB published weight for the gun is different than that on the CZ USA web site.
Take Care
Bob
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