CZ Bren 805 S1

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Mr Wolverine said:
The question of conversion to automatic fire is due to a court case, R. V. Hasselwander (193) 2 SCR 398 where a Judge rule that if a firearm was found to be readily converted to discharge shots in rapid succession with a single pressure of the trigger in a relatively short period with relative ease.

This has set a legal precedent, not a good one but until the decision is reversed in a higher court that is what we are stuck with.
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I don't think you can appeal any higher than the supreme court, but you could get a more strict or better definition of what convertible is which could help. Like if you can't do it without CNC tools its not easily convertible.
 
^ ^ Cheers... but that still doesn't address the length of time issue...

If I win the 60M lottomax, guess I'm driving back to Canada with one of these... lol lawyer fees be damned!

But I'm not gonna say that AR15 type rifles can be [insert ease adverb] converted... im not saying it.;)


Nice attempt to bring us nice toys anyways Mr.W!

I'll just continue with my other project... :)
 
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Damn, I was trying to stay optimistic about the 805... The lack of transparency in these decisions is extremely frustrating. Then again, if you placed guidelines with tangible numbers, then you would eliminate a wiggle factor that is enjoyed by the lab right now. As an outsider all I can do is wonder though.

I also wonder where this leaves the FN firearms in the lab... considering the extensive modifications to the 249S vs the 249 I think it's going to get a non-restricted, but I worry about the SCAR.

Anyways, thanks for fighting the good fight Wolverine. I have a 180C coming and would have picked up a Bren from you as well.
 
Bombsquad68 said:
Damn, I was trying to stay optimistic about the 805... The lack of transparency in these decisions is extremely frustrating. Then again, if you placed guidelines with tangible numbers, then you would eliminate a wiggle factor that is enjoyed by the lab right now. As an outsider all I can do is wonder though.

I also wonder where this leaves the FN firearms in the lab... considering the extensive modifications to the 249S vs the 249 I think it's going to get a non-restricted, but I worry about the SCAR.

Anyways, thanks for fighting the good fight Wolverine. I have a 180C coming and would have picked up a Bren from you as well.
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The original SCAR was rightly prohibited, in that a full auto trigger group/pack could be dropped in with no fuss. Now getting one of those packs is probably harder than actually making an open bolt sub-gun, since only the Military and Police have those trigger packs, and they are tightly controlled.

I think to make it not easily convertible requires the firearm to take active measures to prevent you from making it fire full auto. Like a big piece of #### off steel where an auto sear would fit.
 
The RCMP should be required to publicly release their findings as to how they were able to convert it to fully auto and in what amount of time.
 
Well, use the lesson learned to apply the necessary engineering changes to Bren 806 . Bren 805 is pretty much done and there is no reason to spend more efforts on a product with limited life left.
 
greentips said:
Well, use the lesson learned to apply the necessary engineering changes to Bren 806 . Bren 805 is pretty much done and there is no reason to spend more efforts on a product with limited life left.
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Ah yes, the WD-40 process. Make variants on a product, and increase the variant number by 1, until a version finally makes the cut! :)
 
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