CZ for funsies, heading towards ipsc.

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As the title states. I want a CZ. Which one? I've held them, I love them.

Budget of ~$1000. I'm not against a used firearm.

I don't have a 9mm right now, but wouldn't mind one. I have a .40S&W, so I could go with the 40 caliber easily. I do reload, I will be getting more dies for my 550b. I don't expect to buy a Ferrari when the driver is at a Geo Metro level, if you can get my drift.

Ideas? I see people like the Shadow SP-01. Is that something to consider?

Since I am at a Geo Metro level, should I consider a Norinco clone and work my way up? I can always sell it and not lose my shirt. I've found my Norinco 1911 to be a decent buy, with some work I'm happy with it.

Opinions?
 
Shadow...it's pretty darn good right out of the box...and with the shadow2 arriving...you may just score a smithed deal on 'ee'..
 
Why handicap yourself with a Geo Metro?
If you are serious and want to pursue action shooting, do what everyone above has said.
GET THE SP-01!!!! Good looking, fantastic trigger, love the FO front sights, good ergonomics, reliable, accurate and one of the most popular guns in IPSC and IDPA.
They come up a lot on the EE between $750-$1000 ish depending on condition and options they come with. The ones around $850-$900 are usually in very nice shape.
 
As mentioned, go with the SP01. Just keep your eyes on the EE, and also the Black Friday and Christmas deals that should be coming up. I picked mine up (new) late last year for $899 from a local CGN vendor, so I also had no shipping.
 
I just bought a gently used Shadow. The gun stock is not a whole lot better than a 75B IMHO. I had a stock Shadow several years ago that out of the box had a much better trigger than the more recent version.

If it were me I would look to the EE. There are a lot of Shadows being dumped right now for a lot of reasons. Lots of folks have a rush on for the new Shadow2. It is the new kid on the block with mystic qualities that somehow will make either a lot of shooters way better shooters or a lot of shooters with lighter bank accounts.

The advantage you have in the EE is if you are careful you can get a gently used one for no more than $850 right now or less. I would avoid guns where they are advertised as having the trigger worked on. If the gun comes with 5 mags with obvious wear and the seller is claiming less than a 1K rds through it, pass on it. It's your money not mine or anyone else. It's closing in on winter so time is on your side.

Don't be afraid to look at a 75B on the EE either. I have seen virtually new in the box guns go for $500 - $600 which are buys. Despite what you will read, unless you are a dedicated competitor willing to spend a lot of effort and time to become the best you can be, the 75B will serve you just about as well as any gun in IPSC Production. Any slight advantage the Shadow potentially could give you will be lost in a myriad of ways until you get very good at shooting IPSC. The sport is a lot of fun but it takes more than just shooting skills to get good at it.

Lastly you have certainly identified a great design to choose from. Along with a great design seek out some decent instruction either in person or invest in some CD's on the subject or both. The CD's are inexpensive and will move you along faster than trying to figure it out on your own. If you can find someone in your area that has a decent reputation in the shooting sports seek him out.

Take Care

Bob
 
Since a Shadow 2 came out, you will see more Shadows up for sale......get a used Shadow, Tanfoglio mags and holster with mag pouches..... and have FUN ;)

And there is no reason to buy a Geo Metro to compete against Ferraries ;)
 
If you can find one cheap, cz p09. It's the poor man's shadow. Unfortunately, brand new the prices are ridiculous here in canada that you might as well buy a shadow. The other drawback is aftermarket support is a bit thin. But if you are geo metro level like i am, the p09 is more than enough. Just my opinion of course.
 
You want to buy equipment that won't hinder you as you learn and move up. If you buy a "Geo Metro" gun now you'll simply have to buy a better gun AND all the accessories it needs later on. If you buy the good one now you can learn into it.

The question you SHOULD be asking is "what gun is the best bang for the buck?". If you're aiming at the CZ lineup I'd have to agree with the others here that are suggesting a lightly used Shadow bought from someone that has drank the "Shadow 2 koolaid". A stock or slightly massaged original SP-01 Shadow is entirely practical for getting you from learning to winning if you are able. And you'll know that the gun is not the issue if you hit a performance wall of any sort. At least not until you're fighting it out for Provincial Production Champion. At that point you MIGHT benefit from some other gun. Or you may simply need to focus and practice a little more.

When might that be? When you can shoot as fast as this guy does with his old gen Shadow....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncpEaNRdfMA
 
"This guy" is Angus Hobdell - the owner of CZ Custom. With all the respect to his skill, make no mistake, the pistol he is shooting is as close to stock CZ shadow as Les Baer is to Norinco 1911.
 
owlowl said:
"This guy" is Angus Hobdell - the owner of CZ Custom. With all the respect to his skill, make no mistake, the pistol he is shooting is as close to stock CZ shadow as Les Baer is to Norinco 1911.
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Especially if it is a USPSA Production match. Just saying. The smoking cigar is a nice touch though. Goes with marrying an ex-#### star I guess. Jealous you say....maybe.

Take Care

Bob
 
CZ Accu Shadow is legal in USPSA production, is it not?

CZ Accu Shadow is very far away from production CZ 75, is it not? Barrel bushing, hammer, polished action, light springs, all that.

CZ Accu Shadow was banned on that grounds from IDPA for being not production gun, was it not?

Just saying.
 
owlowl said:
CZ Accu Shadow is legal in USPSA production, is it not? Yes

CZ Accu Shadow is very far away from production CZ 75, is it not? Barrel bushing, hammer, polished action, light springs, all that Yup Not even close

CZ Accu Shadow was banned on that grounds from IDPA for being not production gun, was it not? Yes, the gun has to make all the conditions for IDPA SSP Division before it could even play in ESP Division. CZ UB only makes the CZ 97B with a 1911 style barrel bushing. The Accu Shadow is a CZ Custom concoction.


Just saying.
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Take Care

Bob
 
So would you agree that although Angus Hobdell is superb shooter, the video of his shooting highlights his skill and quality of CZ Custom modified guns. It does not represent experience and realistic expectation of performance of base CZ 75 or even base out of the box Shadow.
 
owlowl It is the archer not the arrow. Yes it is nice to have a Shadow all cleaned up with new springs and polished innards but truthfully, at least in my case, B/C Class Shooter in IPSC, Sharshooter in IDPA, my scores are no better shooting a stock M&P FS vs an Apex parted M&P Pro or a 75 B Stock vs my 75 Shadowline now selling in some places for almost $1,400. The latter has a much lighter DA pull, a very fast reset, (faster than my stock Shadow), and better FO sights than the 75B.

Certainly it is nice to shoot the more expensive gun but I really don't shoot much better than I do with a recently acquired Girsan Compact. There is something to be said for buying a new Shadow for $1K or a gently used one for say $900 but it will be a long time before you will be able to take advantage of some of the features the gun has if ever.

Angus Hobdell is an outstanding shooter likely in anyone's top 25 in the world. The guy can shoot. Give him a stock M&P or SIG or any other name brand you want to name and he likely would shoot as or almost as well. Bob Vogel won the IPSC Production title a couple of years back with essentially stock Glock 17. There isn't really a lot you can do to the Glock under IPSC rules ans still be legal and you can be sure his gun was looked at before the hardware was handed out. The archer not the arrow.

Buy a gun you can afford and like. Go shoot it, play IPSC at a few club matches and see what you think. Contrary to what some may say, you will have lots of time to determine what you want in a gun and what games you want to shoot. Too, there are lots of options for guns out there that will serve you well, including the CZ Shadow. To answer your question directly Angus would shoot about the same with a regular Shadow. He might drop a shot or two due to him not having a gun with as fast a reset or quite as nice a trigger but he still we be good enough to beat most if not all on this Forum. CZ's are excellent firearms, if you like them buy one and go shoot. It will be you who misses not the gun. No need to over think the decision.

Take Care

Bob
 
I fully agree with you on all your points. But.

A very inspired shooter might some day archive Angus Hobdell level. Might. But that was not a factory cz gun and it has to be noted, so people wont expect the same from the hardware they buy.
 
Now, to throw a wrench into things, what about a Glock 34 gen 4? I like the feel of them, although I do have a bit of an aversion to plastic pistols.

More opinions? Its a similar pricepoint. The CZ feels more... sturdy to me. The Glock 34 feels more target like to me. I'm unsure of classing and whatnot in IPSC and I realise the biggest problem is going to be me.

Should I be considering something in 40S&W?

So many questions. Forgive my newbie-ness.
 
G34 is not legal for IPSC Production due to the barrel length. You would be bumped to Standard Minor. G35 is the same gun but in 40 which would give you access to Major scoring, but there's some big dollar guns in that division. That said, shoot for fun with something you like shooting. If you buy a used gun and as much of the kit as you can find at a fair price, you can switch platforms later without too much financial pain.
 
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