Raises cost of being competitive in production.
CZ Shadow 2 !?
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Raises cost of being competitive in production.
you do understand that they bought all new machines to produce this pistol, have invested a huge amount of money in the R&D of this pistol, that it is a marked improvement over what is currently offered and as a company need to show a profit to stay in business right? You might also note that there are a number of Shadows that are quite a bit more than this particular model, the Shadowmates especially. You aren't being forced to purchase this gun, you can still buy a Tanfo for more money, or a Shadowmate for more. What exactly would you have wanted them to release this at? $1
That would be nice but I'm guessing it'll be north of $1300.
$1000 for a brand new design, brand new equipment to make it on etc etc, sorry not realistic. even just from the standpoint of the regular Shadow, those are $1000 now, why would you bring in an improved version for the same price? Free would be nice to, but again not realistic. 1000 Euro translates to 1500 CDN right now, but we have duties to add to that, so I'd expect it to be more
It's not like cz can charge whatever they want.... I'm sure they do competitive analysis before setting the msrp.
To me... Somewhere around $1500 seems like a fair price.... I mean, just look at the prices tanfoglio charges for their purpose built guns
To me... Somewhere around $1500 seems like a fair price.... I mean, just look at the prices tanfoglio charges for their purpose built guns
The CAD specials are $1500 I would not be supprised to see either $1950 or $2199 up here. Just like the new Colt Competition. Retail 800$ USD here $1350 with exchange it only works out to $1080
Retailers can charge what they want because there are not brining in 100's of them they will bring in 10-20 it's not hard to find 10-20 people across Canada to pay a high price for a hard to get item that may also give a competitive edge. Not knocking the retailers, you need that margin to keep the doors open up here, your not selling 1000+ guns a month like in the US.
Retailers can charge what they want because there are not brining in 100's of them they will bring in 10-20 it's not hard to find 10-20 people across Canada to pay a high price for a hard to get item that may also give a competitive edge. Not knocking the retailers, you need that margin to keep the doors open up here, your not selling 1000+ guns a month like in the US.
My 2 cents, for what it's worth (just a lowly B class in production here). If you are at the point that a barely lesser gun, such as the original Shadow, is the roadblock stopping you from being competitive, that one time cost on the Shadow 2 is hardly a concern.
The gun is only one part of being competitive in production. Continuous practice and dry fire will will go a lot further than a new gun. If you are concerned about cost to be competitive, look at the money spent on ammo of the top guys in production. You gotta pay to play, and pay more to play at a higher level.
But anyway, back OT. Thanks for the pictures Slavex. How much did the width of the gun change in the new model?
Slavex I think you are giving them a little too much credit. It isn't a brand new design. It is about the least amount of work possible for a company to release a new model. If your justification held true, there would be no pistols on the market for under $1500. It feels like a $1000 pistol (considering the SP01 Shadow is presently about a $850 pistol) with $500 of 'a ton of people want one one' and 'might as well jack the price to be similar to its nearest competitors' tacked on.
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the 2 is nothing close to a new design . it's at best a tweaked shadow like the previous shadow incarnations were. it'll never worth +1000 $ in my book. CZ is great at pressing the lemon to the last drop,especially with the shadow .
Wow, you guys are amazing. A regular Shadow is already the best part of $1000, a Shadowmate is $2000 and worth it, this gun, while sharing the basic design of the original may as well be a new gun. They started from the ground up and completely redesigned, all the geometries of the holes are different, optimized as it were. The checkering is hand cut, I could go on, but the negative nannies will just complain about the price of oxygen.
Says the SIG guy? I think the 226, with close to 40 variations not including the X5 line, is more played out than the 75 but you can't blame either company for making good money doing what they're doing. When you have a winner you keep pushing it. I must agree however that at roughly $1500, as the current low estimate, I have no interest in this gun.
I just love it when guys try to encourage a lowball price before a new gun has landed here. I am pretty sure these same folks will also not be buying any Tanfo or ANY STI for that matter. It's fine if a 2000.00 gun is outside of what someone's wife will allow 
but that doesn't mean it's priced "too high". Those folks are welcome to shoot their glocks and M&P's and still have a tone of fun. No one's feelings are hurt.
but that doesn't mean it's priced "too high". Those folks are welcome to shoot their glocks and M&P's and still have a tone of fun. No one's feelings are hurt.
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I just love it when guys try to encourage a lowball price before a new gun has landed here. I am pretty sure these same folks will also not be buying any Tanfo or ANY STI for that matter. It's fine if a 2000.00 gun is outside of what someone's wife will allow
If they think that's expensive I should show them my $8000 SVI single stack 1911. Lol.
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no single stack worth this price to me, even an SV . maybe a 2011 with the shuman,tri-glide, saberbooth serration, sight tracker an all stainless frame-slide and controls with no plastic grip
......and honestly, the point is i can build a gun as tight and accurate as your SV for the standard ipsc class with a mod'ed STI frame and slide and SV internals for a little more than half the price of your SV as nice and accurate, and maybe more reliable ; some would call it a tweaked STI, which is exactly what the shadow 2 is ; only a tweaked shadow with an increase of 1000$, nothing else.
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no single stack worth this price to me, even an SV . maybe a 2011 with the shuman,tri-glide, saberbooth serration, sight tracker an all stainless frame-slide and controls with no plastic grip
......and honestly, the point is i can build a gun as tight and accurate as your SV for the standard ipsc class with a mod'ed STI frame and slide and SV internals for a little more than half the price of your SV as nice and accurate, and maybe more reliable ; some would call it a tweaked STI, which is exactly what the shadow 2 is ; only a tweaked shadow with an increase of 1000$, nothing else.
It's that much cause it comes with two fitted different caliber barrels, has the DLC coating and all individual pieces are titanium nitrite finished including the barrels. Also incase you didn't know infinity make their own site tracker barrels these days. I have a 2011 with it as well. Lots of guns are as tight and accurate as a infinity but they aren't custom made to the customers specs in every respect. Infinity manufactures every single part of their guns in house except for the springs and they are working on that too I heard.
It boggles my mind how people get all buthurt when some guy buys a Ferrari and his neighbor says he can do the same things with his Mazda. Sure, that's probably mostly true. But that's not the point is it ? If you don't get it, you shouldn't even ask why.
