cz shadow opinions?

Canuck44 said:
IDPA separates the two but what the scores indicate while you can tinker (add magwells, triggers, hammers and carve the frame) to your hearts content in Enhanced Service Pistol vs Stock Service Pistol the scores are for all intent and purpose the same. Starting C&L vs hammer down seems to have little impact on the scoring, nor do all the enhancements peddled by the industry. IPSC sends you to shooting major which does have an impact on the gun you choose. Not sure what it does to IPSC scoring as I never did get to understand it other than at times I was a B Class shooter and other times a C Class.

The Shadow and the other 75 variants CZ produces are excellent guns with, as others have indicated excellent ergonomics. The only grip I prefer over my CZ's in a pistol is that found on a Tanfanglio. I only have one Tan though vs well more than I care to comment CZ's. CZ's seem to breed like rabbits in my gun safe.

Bob
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Scoring would remain the same between Production and Standard, but you'd be less competitive in Standard, because, whereas everyone is scored Minor in Production, you would be scored Minor in Standard while other people could be shooting Major with wayyy more highly tuned guns than your Shadow.

So, I guess if you're just shooting for score, it makes no difference, but if you want to be competitive in your division, it does.

Slavex said:
why would you put a decocker on a Shadow 2 and ruin it?
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What's wrong with having a decocker? Does it change the trigger?
 
Good gun but I wouldn't pay more than $750 for one right now. You're already starting to see a bunch of them hit the market with the release of the Shadow 2 and that trend is only going to continue as Shadow 2 availability increases. My favorite from the CZ line below $1000 is the regular shadowline or the 85 as I prefer the lighter front end balance.
 
xldbldbl said:
Exactly, it would be better for IPSC, no chance of an AD while lowering the hammer after loading, plus it would start at half #### instead of fully lowered which would make for shorter trigger pull for the DA first shot.
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Decockers usually fully drop the hammer, though???
 
I agree there does seem to be a few more hitting the 'ee' right now....funny ...unless you're looking for a new competition pistol...I fail to understand why you'd change....my shadow is one of a handful of 'never sell' firearms....it still impresses me after 5 years...
 
xldbldbl said:
Exactly, it would be better for IPSC, no chance of an AD while lowering the hammer after loading, plus it would start at half #### instead of fully lowered which would make for shorter trigger pull for the DA first shot.
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funny how none of the top shooters in Production think this way at all. Again, none, that should tell you something. Learn how to decock the gun, move on. It's no different than holstering safely. As for the trigger, having a decock makes the trigger worse, not better, distance makes zero difference as you're prepping on the draw anyhow. I get first shots off as fast anyone running a single action trigger. I can also tell you that a decocker was never even mentioned in any of the planning stages for the 2, it was never mentioned by any of the shooters who were asked to provide input on the gun's design either.
 
Slavex said:
funny how none of the top shooters in Production think this way at all. Again, none, that should tell you something. Learn how to decock the gun, move on. It's no different than holstering safely. As for the trigger, having a decock makes the trigger worse, not better, distance makes zero difference as you're prepping on the draw anyhow. I get first shots off as fast anyone running a single action trigger. I can also tell you that a decocker was never even mentioned in any of the planning stages for the 2, it was never mentioned by any of the shooters who were asked to provide input on the gun's design either.
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Really? When I was at the Canadian Nationals one of the most common conversations I heard was people saying that the shadow 2 should have been released either way. Personally dont care either way, (although I do like that the decocker is rearward and out of the way when reaching for the slide release), but I am sure there are more than a few shooters that DQ'd due to sweaty hands or a bit too much oil that would rather they had a decocker.
 
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Slavex said:
funny how none of the top shooters in Production think this way at all. Again, none, that should tell you something. Learn how to decock the gun, move on. It's no different than holstering safely. As for the trigger, having a decock makes the trigger worse, not better, distance makes zero difference as you're prepping on the draw anyhow. I get first shots off as fast anyone running a single action trigger. I can also tell you that a decocker was never even mentioned in any of the planning stages for the 2, it was never mentioned by any of the shooters who were asked to provide input on the gun's design either.
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That's interesting. Thanks for the info.
 
xldbldbl said:
Really? When I was at the Canadian Nationals one of the most common conversations I heard was people saying that the shadow 2 should have been released either way. Personally dont care either way, (although I do like that the decocker is rearward and out of the way when reaching for the slide release), but I am sure there are more than a few shooters that DQ'd due to sweaty hands or a bit too much oil that would rather they had a decocker.
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If shooters use the thumb roll method like Slavex and others teach then sweaty hands and oily hammers would not have any affect on the lowering of the hammer. Using the pinch method is just a recipe for a DQ. Sorry no sympathy here.

The Shadow 2 is a purpose built pistol for IPSC Production designed with input for those who shoot Production. The fact it has no decocker should be a message. The 75 Shadowline is a model directed at those who shoot IDPA SSP Division. No decocker there either. Small safety levers because they are seldom/never used when playing SSP Division, so too the SP-01 Shadowline for IPSC Production.

I cannot imagine any benefit in either sport for a decocker model other than personal preference.

Take Care

Bob
 
I've got the SP01 shadow line and it is extremely nice to shoot and far more accurate than I can ever be. Only regret is not buying it before my M&P, my Sig226, and my Glock 17. I have an Ed Brown 1911 that is a beautiful handgun, the workmanship is great and it is a joy to shoot.
 
Just throwing out a thought here- I shoot targets, slowly, not IPSC or IDPA stuff. While the Shadow has the same "slide in frame" as the Sig P210, it's just not as accurate. With a P210, I'm reasonably accurate out to 50 metres. With my Shadow, 50 metre targets group like a shotgun.

I'm sticking with 25m stuff now. I still like it, but it's long distance accuracy ain't great.
 
TrxR said:
what is the exact difference between the SP01 Shadow and the shadowline?
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For all practical purposes $200 and thin grips.

I have the 75 Shadowline which is the same gun only without the rail and FLDC. The Shadowline reset is a smidge shorter but no shorter than my 85 Combat that was tuned by Ken Soucie a few years ago. I wanted the 75 Shadowline so I bought it. I don't shoot it any better in matches than I would with an 85 Combat, 75B, Shadow, Tanfoglio or M&P. It is the gun I shoot at matches though. I think it pyches out Paul H. at out club matches or maybe not.:>)

The regular Shadow is a very nice gun, the various upstream models have nice features that you may or may not be able to take advantage of. If you have the money and want the upstream models go for it. Don't expect to be able to shoot significantly better just enjoy the experience.

The difference between men and boys is the cost of their toys.

Take Care

Bob
ps If I had a Shadow and was a A, B, or C Class shooter in IPSC I would know I had a gun that I could not out shoot, Still the Shadow 2 is.....
 
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