CZ455 Canadian Edition -- Water Soluable Red Stain...
- Thread starter Meroh
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Really? That is very unfortunate the Canadian edition should have been finished better than that. Maybe put a coat of clear polyurethane or true oil on it to seal the stock if the stain was simple placed over the wood and not sealed.
The beech stocked 455 Canadian is finished like all other 455's. It has a topcoat that is coloured with red dye, a toner topcoat as it is called. Most stocks and indeed a lot of furniture use a toner topcoat coloured with dyes, not stains. Dye adds colour to the topcoat, which on a 455 may be lacquer or polyurethane. Toner topcoats provide an even colour coat to help conceal minor blemishes and irregularities in the grain. Sometimes a stock may be refinished by adding dye or mixed dye directly into the wood with a carrier such as water or alcohol, followed by a clear topcoat, but this is not often done by the do-it-yourselfer. The majority of casual stock refinishers probably use stain because it is readily available and very easy to use.
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It's not clear why it would run from the checkering. Perhaps there was an imperfect application of the topcoat at the factory. Whatever the cause, it is certainly most unwelcome.
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It's not clear why it would run from the checkering. Perhaps there was an imperfect application of the topcoat at the factory. Whatever the cause, it is certainly most unwelcome.
Most everything from gun-stocks to furniture, to kitchen cupboards to Caskets (I'm a licensed but not practicing Funeral Director) are now finished with a sanding sealer, then coated with a sprayed acrylic lacquer which contains a dye. That's how the finish looked, and still does. The finish looks good; most of the dye came from the laser etched "checkering" where its build is the heaviest; when I dried the rifle, the rest of the stock wiped colour as well as the area under the barrel.
sounds like insufficient top-coat over the color, as it's job is to protect the wood from moisture first. Allot of stains aren't water soluble either, so if water melted it..that's a clue about what was (or wasn't) used.
In production wood finishing (furniture) top coats aren't always tinted or shaded. Adding pigment TO clear coats isn't always the best idea, especially if it's an intense color like red or blue. You often have to add allot TO achieve the color but if you do, drying times can lengthen and results can vary. I've seen lots of times where they felt like they took forever to dry...and sometimes felt like they never fully did. Anyhow, if color is lost/running...the top coat failed, or wasn't fully there in the problem spots to begin with. There is also a slight chance the top-coat IS water-based and started to fail after getting soaked..but I'd be very surprised if CZ uses/used water-based finishes on their stocks. I think the failure rate would be up there if they did.
In production wood finishing (furniture) top coats aren't always tinted or shaded. Adding pigment TO clear coats isn't always the best idea, especially if it's an intense color like red or blue. You often have to add allot TO achieve the color but if you do, drying times can lengthen and results can vary. I've seen lots of times where they felt like they took forever to dry...and sometimes felt like they never fully did. Anyhow, if color is lost/running...the top coat failed, or wasn't fully there in the problem spots to begin with. There is also a slight chance the top-coat IS water-based and started to fail after getting soaked..but I'd be very surprised if CZ uses/used water-based finishes on their stocks. I think the failure rate would be up there if they did.
Wolverine Supplies are now the Warranty Centre for CZ in Canada.
https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/warranty-claim-form
When harvest gets done, if it ever does, the rain/snow should stop.
I would try a tooth brush on the checkering and see if you bet anymore lifting off.
If it seems to be dry and setup, try a bit of true oil or what ever and brush some in with the brush, light coat, or 2 should seal it
I would try a tooth brush on the checkering and see if you bet anymore lifting off.
If it seems to be dry and setup, try a bit of true oil or what ever and brush some in with the brush, light coat, or 2 should seal it
That's what I am thinking, but I want to hear from CZ first.
I would consider bedding the barrel at the same time; but I can't imagine doing so making it shoot any better than it already is!
No snow here in Southern Ontario yet; but lot's of rain. Most edible beans are off; cereal grain is long off; there are a lot of soys still standing, a lot of corn silage is off, some early High Moisture corn too; grain corn need a couple of weeks and a good frost to dry it up.
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- Location
- West Quebec
Would like to hear their answer and if it is limited to just new guns
My American 455 is Turkish Walnut. Never had it out in the rain.
Never liked the Beech Wood stocks.
- Location
- Leduc County, Alberta
I too remember reading about someone who had the red dye run on their CZ455 Canadian a few years back on CGN as well.
I’ve never taken mine out in the rain before either....
I’ve never taken mine out in the rain before either....
