Dangerous game short range match. The challenge is on!
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I finally got to the range today.
I used 4 long guns in the test (from left to right): Mossberg 500A, Marlin 1895GS 45-70, LE No.5, BRNO 602 .375 H&H
Here is a video of the Marlin 1895GS. The ammo is Federal 300 gr factory so it is very low power.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000006-1.mp4[/video]
Here is the 45/70 group:
Here is a video of the BRNO 602 carbine. The ammo is Federal 300 gr factory ammo. It is not low power
but is still easy to control offhand.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000013-1.mp4[/video]
Here is the .375 H&H group:
Here is a video of the Mossberg 500A shooting 2 3/4" 1 oz slugs. Even though it was difficult to extract the empties, it had the fastest elapsed time. The 6" group is pathetic but I am very wary of that short Choate stock. If I get a good cheek weld the hinge of the stock is very close to my nose and results in a good smack with slugs. I'll probably switch back to the OEM stock for better accuracy.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000016.mp4[/video]
Here is the horrible 12 ga group:
Here is the video of the LE No.5. I had probems chambering the 2nd round of factory 170 gr softpoint ammo. It is coming off the left side of the magazine and hung up on each of the 3 strings I shot. You have to really hammer the bolt forward to get the tip of the bullet to slide up the ramp. Has anyone else seen this problem? Perhaps the OAL of this factory ammo is too long.
I don't think that the slow time is representative of a normal No.5 with good ammo.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000021.mp4[/video]
Here is the .303 group:
The results are as follows:
1895GS, 4.52 seconds, 1 7/8" Score (Group size x time): 8.48
BRNO 602 6.58 seconds, 2 1/8" Score (Group size x time): 13.98
Moss500 4.11 seconds, 6" Score (Group size x time): 24.66
LE No.5 8.39 seconds, 2 1/2" Score (Group size x time): 20.98
Predictably the pump was the fastest, even with extraction problems. But I was less accurate with it due to the stock and the bead sight.
This was a valuable lesson for me as I had planned on loaning the LE No.5 to a friend who will be working in Northern Saskatchewan this year. I will resolve the feeding problem with the JC before I lend it out.
I feel confident with both the 1895GS and the BRNO 602. Either rifle will do the job at close range.
But man I gotta speed up a bunch if I want to get close to Camp Cook.
I used 4 long guns in the test (from left to right): Mossberg 500A, Marlin 1895GS 45-70, LE No.5, BRNO 602 .375 H&H
Here is a video of the Marlin 1895GS. The ammo is Federal 300 gr factory so it is very low power.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000006-1.mp4[/video]
Here is the 45/70 group:
Here is a video of the BRNO 602 carbine. The ammo is Federal 300 gr factory ammo. It is not low power
but is still easy to control offhand.[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000013-1.mp4[/video]
Here is the .375 H&H group:
Here is a video of the Mossberg 500A shooting 2 3/4" 1 oz slugs. Even though it was difficult to extract the empties, it had the fastest elapsed time. The 6" group is pathetic but I am very wary of that short Choate stock. If I get a good cheek weld the hinge of the stock is very close to my nose and results in a good smack with slugs. I'll probably switch back to the OEM stock for better accuracy.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000016.mp4[/video]
Here is the horrible 12 ga group:
Here is the video of the LE No.5. I had probems chambering the 2nd round of factory 170 gr softpoint ammo. It is coming off the left side of the magazine and hung up on each of the 3 strings I shot. You have to really hammer the bolt forward to get the tip of the bullet to slide up the ramp. Has anyone else seen this problem? Perhaps the OAL of this factory ammo is too long.
I don't think that the slow time is representative of a normal No.5 with good ammo.
[video]http://vid71.photobucket.com/albums/i155/pbgeologist/S5000021.mp4[/video]
Here is the .303 group:
The results are as follows:
1895GS, 4.52 seconds, 1 7/8" Score (Group size x time): 8.48
BRNO 602 6.58 seconds, 2 1/8" Score (Group size x time): 13.98
Moss500 4.11 seconds, 6" Score (Group size x time): 24.66
LE No.5 8.39 seconds, 2 1/2" Score (Group size x time): 20.98
Predictably the pump was the fastest, even with extraction problems. But I was less accurate with it due to the stock and the bead sight.
This was a valuable lesson for me as I had planned on loaning the LE No.5 to a friend who will be working in Northern Saskatchewan this year. I will resolve the feeding problem with the JC before I lend it out.
I feel confident with both the 1895GS and the BRNO 602. Either rifle will do the job at close range.
But man I gotta speed up a bunch if I want to get close to Camp Cook.
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Camp Cook said:
I'm going to make another try. My times with light loads are so much slower than yours with heavy loads that I feel I have to save face by bettering my time
The 1895GS handles so quickly and easily. It's definitely the way to go, especially if you plan on carrying the rifle in the field.
The 602 is more of a "keep it in camp" rifle. But it sure is fun to shoot!
Nice shooting Cam and Geo
I just found this thread thanks to Geo. I will get out this week with my 870s, good time to compare if the Specops stock works or not.
So I am right in reading the match is 25m, start position is on target, one round chambered and timed from the buzzer for 3 shots ?
Cheers
I just found this thread thanks to Geo. I will get out this week with my 870s, good time to compare if the Specops stock works or not.
So I am right in reading the match is 25m, start position is on target, one round chambered and timed from the buzzer for 3 shots ?
Cheers
Ike said:
Time elapsed for the 3 shots. Hit start at the first shot, hit stop at the third shot.
I just played back my videos and timed them with a stopwatch as I was alone at the range.
And no rests, bipods, shooting sticks or slings.
Score: group size in inches x time in seconds.
Lowest score wins
Will do and thanks, I have an IPSC timer so I can use that. I'll try to drag my buddy out with his 45/70 and give that a whirl.....they sure are nice guns.
I'm already looking forward to the "Hand Cannon' Honor Match
Cheers
I'm already looking forward to the "Hand Cannon' Honor Match
Cheers
Handguns, sure! Bring it on!
How about the same rules at 15 yards? Any handgun you'd use for legal defense of life from dangerous game in Canada.
But you have to include pictures/video of your field carry rigs!
Just remember that it doesn't have to be a Guide Gun. Where are all the guys who love their Rem 7600's in .35 Whelen?
How about the same rules at 15 yards? Any handgun you'd use for legal defense of life from dangerous game in Canada.
But you have to include pictures/video of your field carry rigs!
Just remember that it doesn't have to be a Guide Gun. Where are all the guys who love their Rem 7600's in .35 Whelen?
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- AB foothills
geologist said:Yeah thanks Cam, now I feel like a POS
I have to practice more.
Dont feel bad, you did great! CC's shooting was impressive!
I was out again on the weekend, I put a pile of heavy loads down the tube of both my 45-70's and probably about 50 375 H&H factory rounds(I need the brass) out of my new CZ. I think I am ready to be embarrassed by Cam as well
I will be out again this weekend and hope to get this done. I will take pics, but wont be video taping. Trying to get some 375 loaded this week as well
I'm in...
I plan on using my 870 Super Mag with rifled slug barrel, my 870 Marine Magnum, and as a tip of the hat to the hunters, trappers, and pioneers who went up against Ephraim armed only with muzzleloaders, I'll try to invite my uncle to give it a whirl with my flintlock. The video for that one may be a little long
I plan on using my 870 Super Mag with rifled slug barrel, my 870 Marine Magnum, and as a tip of the hat to the hunters, trappers, and pioneers who went up against Ephraim armed only with muzzleloaders, I'll try to invite my uncle to give it a whirl with my flintlock. The video for that one may be a little long
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I've been wanting to get in on this, but my video/computer skills leave something to be desired. Anyhow, this isn't quite what the rules called for, so now that I've sort of got this stuff figured out I'll try to get some current video on the weekend.
I did this a couple of summers ago in preperation for our African trip. At the first shot the Jeep takes off pulling a plastic pail towards me, and I try to hit it with my Brno 602 carbine in .375 Ulta shooting 270 gr Hornady's ahead of 95 grs of H-4350.
Looks like you just click on the pic to make it work.
I did this a couple of summers ago in preperation for our African trip. At the first shot the Jeep takes off pulling a plastic pail towards me, and I try to hit it with my Brno 602 carbine in .375 Ulta shooting 270 gr Hornady's ahead of 95 grs of H-4350.
Looks like you just click on the pic to make it work.
