de-restrict the AR?

Listen here boys and girls ^^^^ we don't want this but it is inevitable if we do not add this to our charter of rights and freedoms.

short term wish: I want to be able to go into a gun dealer, choose whatever firearm is made on this planet, do a criminal record check, pay for it, and leave.

absolutely no restrictions whatsoever on any firearms, no mag limits, full auto, semi, guns that can fit in my shirt pocket, anything and everything.

Lol not pushing it at all! I must atmit i wouldnt be comfortable with a bunch of black, hispanic or really any bunch of suspec people sitting close to me at mc donald with some ak's and ar's!

I m all for no mags limit getting the long guns of restricted and proibs into the range. But they are some limits i befor it would all get out of hand. We need to stay realistic!

I would like a intelegent look at the restricted list, remouve all the senseless restricted like ar's and such. Alown full caps, for it really does not make anyone safer. Allow prohibs to be both and shot at range, and allow fa maiby for range only? Allow silencers and pistols as side arms for wilderness protection and hunting ?
 
And btw im black and not racist and i ment like by removing all restriction like the other guy was sugesting. Gave me trird wold country vision with 4-5 guys in the back off and old beige toyota truck driving around recklessly and shooting there ak's in the air lol.
 
Well here's the thing,
LGR is costly we all agree to that,
What's the next thing that's just as costly with not benefit? ATT Imagine if all CFC have to answer are regular Q&A, Transfer of restricted Firearm, and Licensing issue... That would solve a lot of problem.

As for other legalization, you have to stick something to it that will appeal to them, for example Sound dampener requiring tax stamp (not cheap one like $5, but more like >>$200)
 
And btw im black and not racist and i ment like by removing all restriction like the other guy was sugesting. Gave me trird wold country vision with 4-5 guys in the back off and old beige toyota truck driving around recklessly and shooting there ak's in the air lol.

Don't sweat it. Riding in the back of old beige Toyotas is still against the law since about what 1980(?) on public roads.
Shooting in the air is still reckless discharge or careless use of a firearm.
Plus everybody else is armed also.
Checks and balances. ;)
 
No LGR, no barrel length limit, no ATT, no restricted scary black would be nice.

Realistically the tories only target LGR for cost savings and NOT to appease gun owners. Scraping ATT could also save some money. Harper is fiscal minded, gonna show him the money.
 
Well here's the thing,
LGR is costly we all agree to that,
What's the next thing that's just as costly with not benefit? ATT Imagine if all CFC have to answer are regular Q&A, Transfer of restricted Firearm, and Licensing issue... That would solve a lot of problem.

As for other legalization, you have to stick something to it that will appeal to them, for example Sound dampener requiring tax stamp (not cheap one like $5, but more like >>$200)

But, why? How is transfer dangerous anyway? Who cares how big, little, black, or blued and wood it is. A gun is a gun, and rifles are better any time something needs killing.
How does a tax keep anyone safe? So low income types need not apply? We should not get caught up in this "Saturday night special" thinking, as if the rich are more worthy of self preservation.
The only thing that $200 does, is keep it out of the hands of a law abiding citizen who has to decide: "Groceries or silencer this month? I guess I don't need one that bad."
 
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as much as i would love to see some major changes, we will only see the long gun registry disapear as promised by the conservatives. there is zero reason for the conservatives to do anything about firearm legislation other then what was promised about removing the long gun registry. just remember the conservatives were and are trying prove they are financialy responsible by removing the registry. being financial responsible is a necesity for seeking re-election. that is the only reason for its potential elimination. they are not doing it to apease us and make the hunters happy.

i only hope the registry disapears before the next firearm related tragedy strikes at a canadian school, mall, government facilty ect ect. that way i can at least keep my semi autos hidden when they are banned for civilian ownership and siezed from us. just remember we are potential only one tragedy away from even more government legislation being rammed down our throats or our semi autos being seized from us. its unfortunate but its true. the tories will turn on us just like the ndp would or the liberals would after the next tragedy. unfortunetly canadian culture does not embrace firearm ownership unlike the united states. it is only a matter of time before we are just the same as australia and great britain.

You're just a little ray of sunshine aren't you? Fortunately you're actually wrong, there is a good reason to revamp the Firearms Act, it's badly written and there are parts of it that are virtually unenforceable due to the crappy way it's written. As far as the "next tragedy" goes, you may want to remember that Dawson College occurred under a Conservative MINORITY, and we didn't get thrown under any busses (in large part because those of us who were here then wrote emails and letters to remind the government that we were watching them.) So, sunny dude, put down the Quaaludes, and wake up to the promise of the new day.
 
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as much as i would love to see some major changes, we will only see the long gun registry disapear as promised by the conservatives. there is zero reason for the conservatives to do anything about firearm legislation other then what was promised about removing the long gun registry. just remember the conservatives were and are trying prove they are financialy responsible by removing the registry. being financial responsible is a necesity for seeking re-election. that is the only reason for its potential elimination. they are not doing it to apease us and make the hunters happy.

i only hope the registry disapears before the next firearm related tragedy strikes at a canadian school, mall, government facilty ect ect. that way i can at least keep my semi autos hidden when they are banned for civilian ownership and siezed from us. just remember we are potential only one tragedy away from even more government legislation being rammed down our throats or our semi autos being seized from us. its unfortunate but its true. the tories will turn on us just like the ndp would or the liberals would after the next tragedy. unfortunetly canadian culture does not embrace firearm ownership unlike the united states. it is only a matter of time before we are just the same as australia and great britain.

I agree,

Nothing can solidify to the way this thread thinks until WE create a steady HONEST and humble culture of conservatism (unlike Mulroney)

Ar15 or anything else "radical" to the press and to the other 60% will be political suicide. WHEN there is an incident with a long gun crime, the RIGHT HONOURABLE Harper, along with our "rights" will take a huge hit, like never before. They cant wait to find any excuse to defame our way of thinking as EVIL and REDNECK. AND it will look ugly to any pro gun first term maj government.

103 seats went to the EXTREMIST socialists who became the official opposition!!! 31% of all votes cast!!! We are nowhere even close to fostering an ideology of firearm sensibility in society..... Big 'C' conservatism with which this topic must have. If we ram it down there throats too soon, like they've done to us for too long, the rhetoric and negative coverage will be unheralded. the ONLY reason PC's won maj is because of the lib bluevote.... and they are scared s**tless of guns....

An example of the fight we are in for;

The friends I surf with on van island, who mainly come from the mainland are some of back in the day clayoquot protesters. They are leaders and current ACTIVE cloverdale and all rodeo animal rights protesters, and who pretty much shut it down. They 're talking how they can't wait to get there PAL, then do LONG GUN petty CRIME ie, shooting in urban areas, stuff under the radar just to scew the stats of crime after this bill is past.

This is who we are really dealing with, the extreme left, with sensational acts, whom which the media loves. I mean please, even the centre left here are exhuming humanely euthanized sled dogs out too see if they've suffered or not, to untold tax payer expenses.

Lets take a deep breath, Let PM HArper move slowly with tact, as he has done, it'll take a min of three terms, as long he and his mp's don't corrupt first(mulroney), to convince and bury these half century entrenched ruling class socialistic ideals that have hurt so many in our great country for far too long. Baby steps
 
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You guys are thinking far too small.

I want the Canadian Charter of 'Rights and Freedoms' completely re-vampted to include right to property and the right to bear arms.Work it so even the Supreme Court cannot 'interpret' it to mean anything less than what it is.
Despite what we hope for, there will be a day in the future that a left-leaning government will form a majority and will overturn any reversal that takes place with the current firearms laws. It is not enough that our immediate wants and desires are filled, but that our laws and freedoms are protected and enshrined for our children and their children. Anything less is unacceptable.

EXACTLY!!!!

I think it's safe to say that the bill Garry Breitkreuz put forward before the media jumped down his throat will probably be dug up and easily passed. That was the one that would've killed the registry and lumped ATTs onto your R-PAL (no need to call and ask permission to abide by the law). Anything more would be unlikely, mainly because it's not actually party policy to do anything more. Granted, it'd still be a welcome change.

Garry's bill is the ONLY THING WE SHOULD ACCEPT in killing the LGR. And the Conservatives better do a lot more than that, we gave them this majority, and we can take it away. Don't be surprised when another political party realizes the power we wield now & will come courting. This is a fact and only a matter of time now. Mark Holland knows.

1) as much as i would love to see some major changes, we will only see the long gun registry disapear as promised by the conservatives. there is zero reason for the conservatives to do anything about firearm legislation.

2) i only hope the registry disapears before the next firearm related tragedy strikes at a canadian school, mall, government facilty ect ect. that way i can at least keep my semi autos hidden when they are banned for civilian ownership and siezed from us.

1) WRONG, epic FAIL. We will DEMAND much more than that. The LGR going away is only a small first step to paying us back. They will do much more about firearms legislation to please us, or they will go away.

2) This is the type of talk we need to hear more of. That no matter what the Government De Jour says we will not comply and give over our firearms. We will NOT COMPLY, that's it.



Listen here boys and girls ^^^^ we don't want this but it is inevitable if we do not add this to our charter of rights and freedoms. short term wish: I want to be able to go into a gun dealer, choose whatever firearm is made on this planet, do a criminal record check, pay for it, and leave. absolutely no restrictions whatsoever on any firearms, no mag limits, full auto, semi, guns that can fit in my shirt pocket, anything and everything.

I agree, this is the way it needs to be. AND with must issue CCW.

there is a good reason to revamp the Firearms Act, it's badly written and there are parts of it that are virtually unenforceable due to the crappy way it's written. As far as the "next tragedy" goes, you may want to remember that Dawson College occurred under a Conservative MINORITY, and we didn't get thrown under any busses (in large part because those of us who were here then wrote emails and letters to remind the government that we were watching them.)

Correct, we are all watching now. The Firearms act WILL be thrown out on appeal by the Inuit. The new act will only target criminals and MUST reinstate all the prohib handguns back to restricted status. AR's and AK's must be hunting firearms again. No long gun should be restricted or prohibited. We also need to reinstate handgun hunting. The time is to strike NOW, not in 3 years. PRESS THEM NOW to do it. I hope the CSSA, NFA, and all the hunting orgs are united in trying to get hand gun hunting again and to make restricted rifles to be hunting rifles again. I want an FNC1 like my Father carried serving under NATO and I can finally see the possibility to get this piece of my Canadian Culture and Heritage.
 
I think it's safe to say that the bill Garry Breitkreuz put forward before the media jumped down his throat will probably be dug up and easily passed. That was the one that would've killed the registry and lumped ATTs onto your R-PAL (no need to call and ask permission to abide by the law).
Sounds like a good place to start
 
if we make it well known that we want firearms legislation changed, and state what and why with good reasoning I dont see why the firearms legislation wouldnt be changed. most firearm legislation is idiotic.
 
You're just a little ray of sunshine aren't you? Fortunately you're actually wrong, there is a good reason to revamp the Firearms Act, it's badly written and there are parts of it that are virtually unenforceable due to the crappy way it's written. As far as the "next tragedy" goes, you may want to remember that Dawson College occurred under a Conservative MINORITY, and we didn't get thrown under any busses (in large part because those of us who were here then wrote emails and letters to remind the government that we were watching them.) So, sunny dude, put down the Quaaludes, and wake up to the promise of the new day.

it is a good thing the fact that the lgr will be gone soon. that i agree with. however i am still under the impression that one day all restricteds and semi's will be seized. you mention dawson college wich is a valid point. the thing to remember there is that only one person died at dawson thanks to the bad accuracy of the idiot shooter and the quick work of the police. if dawson turned out to be as bad as virginia tech, columbine, port arthur massacre or the recent one in arizona it would have been a very sad day for all of us. that i guarentee. it dosnt matter what party is in power or not. like i said in my previous post, firearm culture is not embraced in canada enogh unlike the states.

the one thing we truly need is to get the NRA here in canada. american politicians are afraid of the NRA and what they can do with the gun lobby. it would be a truly excellent day if we could get canadian politicians afraid of the NRA as well.
 
Gun control works like a ratchet. It only goes one way.

We will probably get the LGR killed but that's all folks.

Changing anything more will require a shift in the way people view guns in this country and that's something that happens over decades.

not sure what kind of ratchets you have but mine have a switch on them and they do go the other way
 
Anti-gun politicians know that they can rely on the ignorance of the general public in passing stricter gun laws.So what to us is an AR-15 that fires a .223 bullet in semi-auto mode,the politico and the general public sees an evil looking black "machine gun" that is capable of a wide range of evil.For me the issue of owning guns and how I am to act as a responsible gun owner and citizen is a no brainer.Unfortunately there isn't a shortage of politicians and citizens in this country who feel that "we" as civilians and especially as gun owners need to be constantly watched and monitored.As a gun owner I know that I have swayed family,friends,and co-workers that have been previous anti-gun to see guns in a more positive light.Heck,if you want to change an anti-gun citizen or politician's view on guns,take them to the range!They'll never be anti-gun again.:D
 
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Gun laws are like anti terror laws. Nobody can undo them as it would be political suicide.

If the current government unrestricts the AR-15, they will be accused of legalising assault rifles. This doesnt really gain a lot of votes except from black rifle owners, which is probably such a small minority that they dont matter.

So there is virtually no gain.
 
Anti-gun politicians know that they can rely on the ignorance of the general public in passing stricter gun laws.So what to us is an AR-15 that fires a .223 bullet in semi-auto mode,the politico and the general public sees an evil looking black "machine gun" that is capable of a wide range of evil.For me the the issue of owning guns and how I am to act as a responsible gun owner and citizen is a no brainer.Unfortunately there isn't a shortage of politicians and citizens in this country who feel that "we" as civilians and especially as gun owners need to be constantly watched and monitored.As a gun owner I know that I have swayed family,friends,and co-workers that have been previous anti-gun to see guns in a more positive light.Heck,if you want to change an anti-gun citizen or politician's view on guns,take them to the range!They'll never be anti-gun again.:D

Exactly the difference between firearm categories is Nada Zilch Nothing.

What we have to do is change the perception that it isn't the firearm but the user that is the problem. Legal gun owners VS Criminal Use

I for one want to go shoot gophers with my AR but cannot! Why?

Someone that has no clue restricted it, taking a AR to go shoot gophers is no different than me taking my AR to a range.

Not one bit of difference!
 
The Ar platform has become the dominant style of varmint, hunting, and sport style of firearms in the U.S. A ton of new style rifles use an AR style lower. It will be a tough sell to get them to overturn the restricted designation
 
I would like to be able to carry a handgun while hunting to dispatch wounded game. Maybe wounded with a Remington R25 in 7mm-08 say. That would be a nice touch. :rockOn:
 
My thoughts exactly. I remember a week ago I saw an Liberal Ad that says the the conservatives are going to be "putting more guns on our streets" I assumed that they where refereeing to the Long Gun Registry.
The vast majority of the people living in southern Ontario havent got the faintest idea when it comes to firearms and the laws associated with them. Most of them think gun laws are a good thing and more guns leads to more murder.
Sorry guys but I think scarping the long gun registry is as far as we are going to go with repealing firearm laws.
 
My thoughts exactly. I remember a week ago I saw an Liberal Ad that says the the conservatives are going to be "putting more guns on our streets" I assumed that they where refereeing to the Long Gun Registry.
The vast majority of the people living in southern Ontario havent got the faintest idea when it comes to firearms and the laws associated with them. Most of them think gun laws are a good thing and more guns leads to more murder.
Sorry guys but I think scarping the long gun registry is as far as we are going to go with repealing firearm laws.

We're going to get what we are willing to fight for.

In the future, some time before I die, I want to carry my 1911 around with me everywhere I go.

Canada is our country and the government is ours, though it doesn't listen that well to us. We are citizens of this nation and if enough of us make enough noise they will have no choice but to make the changes we demand. We are law abiding citizens that have allowed the government to walk all over us for over 20 years... We want our rights back.

Organization is the key to our success, because our message contains the truth.
 
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