de-restrict the AR?

[ol'blacky]

I would like to be able to carry a handgun while hunting to dispatch wounded game. Maybe wounded with a Remington R25 in 7mm-08 say. That would be a nice touch.

Hunt with a bolt-action rifle and kill them cleanly on the first shot then.

I love my AR, but there is no way I'm going to hunt deer with it. I've been killing deer with a bolt-action rifle for 20 years, and see no reason to risk hunting large game with a small round.

 

[ol'blacky]

I agree with all the 'baby steps' suggestions/ideas on this thread. Here's why;

1. The Conservatives will do whatever is most fiscally responsible. It makes fiscal sense to scrap the LGR, and the ATT system. Getting rid of anything more than that will require an expensive legal/political process and an expensive substitute (legislation is not 'free').

2. The Conservatives are, first and foremost, politicians. The gun registry debate this election got them who-knows-how-many votes; In the riding just north of me, Nipissing-Temiskaming, this issue is THE reason why the very popular liberal incumbent lost by 14 votes instead of winning by 15k. Harper will keep a bit of the gun-registry around so that he can attack it next election, and stir up you and I to vote. Common purpose, you see.

3. Politics is a pendulum; the harder you push it one direction, the harder it swings back. Radical changes that happen too fast don't stick. Just as our gun-rights were gradually eroded for the last 60 years, so too must they be gradually reinstated.

But that's just me. I hope/wish some of you fired-up guys are right; I'd love to see it all scrapped.

Well, I have one objection to a popular sentiment here; I don't think we should all carry handguns. I'd already be in jail if I was allowed to carry one when I was a younger man. The American model of handgun laws is not ideal. I work in the ER, and would hate to see all of our stab-wounds turn into GSW's.

 

[pres717]

I also think that removing pins in mags and un-restricting the AR are a good start, but maybe we should tone it down until the registry is gone. No doubt Windy is trolling here and I don't want to give her or the other antis any more ammunition before the LGR is scrapped.

 

[AlexF]

Stay focused, stay calm

Quote of the day: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

If we ask too much we'll get nothing, therefore we unite (under the NFA...) , take an incremental approach, keep our heads cool and work with our MPs (even if mine is NDP ) to make gun law effective and reasonable again.

Momentum is on our side and we should be able to achieve all our goals if we make a plan, stay calm and follow through!

1. First work to eliminate the gun registry and redeploy resource for real law enforcement work,
2. Second work to eliminate the gun registry and redeploy resource for real law enforcement work

Lets work together, stay focused, stay calm and get things done.

Don't forget to join the NFA, work with the system to make it better!

Alex

NFA member
NDP represented Quebecer

 

[pres717]

Quote of the day: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

If we ask too much we'll get nothing, therefore we unite (under the NFA...) , take an incremental approach, keep our heads cool and work with our MPs (even if mine is NDP ) to make gun law effective and reasonable again.

Momentum is on our side and we should be able to achieve all our goals if we make a plan, stay calm and follow through!

1. First work to eliminate the gun registry and redeploy resource for real law enforcement work,
2. Second work to eliminate the gun registry and redeploy resource for real law enforcement work

Lets work together, stay focused, stay calm and get things done.

Don't forget to join the NFA, work with the system to make it better!

Alex

NFA member
NDP represented Quebecer

Good advice AlexF. And I am in the same boat as you, I'm also an NDP represented Quebecer

 

[Weapontech]

Politics is a pendulum; the harder you push it one direction, the harder it swings back. Radical changes that happen too fast don't stick. Just as our gun-rights were gradually eroded for the last 60 years, so too must they be gradually reinstated.

Best analogy I've heard to date........

IMO, the CPC wants the LGR issue done quick - like removing a bandaid. That way, it will be a distant memory by the time the next election comes around in 4 years.

 

[mrsmitty]

Hunt with a bolt-action rifle and kill them cleanly on the first shot then.

I love my AR, but there is no way I'm going to hunt deer with it. I've been killing deer with a bolt-action rifle for 20 years, and see no reason to risk hunting large game with a small round.

AR don't only come in .223. Hell there are 50BMG ARs is that too small of a round for you?

 

[cz52]

AR don't only come in .223. Hell there are 50BMG ARs is that too small of a round for you?

I haven't seen any of those in Canada.

 

[shockwave]

Suppressor

I have one word...SILENCERS...it would be great to have another form of hearing protection

Hey guys. To get this one passed it has to be called a suppressor not a silencer....same thing...just correct wording. I'm all for the supressor and hearing protection. I think there was a thread started some where on this very issue.

 

[mrsmitty]

I haven't seen any of those in Canada.

I am pretty sure Alberta Tactical had 50BMG uppers. But even so there are AR 10's in 308 win which is more than sufficient to hunt any north american game with.

 

[fireball]

I want to hunt with my AR-10 with a Suppressor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MagnumPeanut]

De restricting the ar is a no brainer.

 

[Teac]

De restricting the ar is a no brainer.

This will never happen. NO politician will expose themselfes to "legalising assault rifles" as the opposition wil call it out.

Also the first time anything happens with said "assault rifle" it will be blamed on that politician ...

The only way it could happen is if the votes from AR owners change an election, then you wil get whatever you want.

 

[JAGDMORDER]

AR don't only come in .223. Hell there are 50BMG ARs is that too small of a round for you?

I dont know about that, but they do have, .50 beowulf..458 socom etc.

 

[HedonismBot]

not sure what kind of ratchets you have but mine have a switch on them and they do go the other way

Looks like a pretty constant direction to me

All we can control is the interval between those dates.

 

[tactical lever]

I agree,

Nothing can solidify to the way this thread thinks until WE create a steady HONEST and humble culture of conservatism (unlike Mulroney)

Ar15 or anything else "radical" to the press and to the other 60% will be political suicide. WHEN there is an incident with a long gun crime, the RIGHT HONOURABLE Harper, along with our "rights" will take a huge hit, like never before. They cant wait to find any excuse to defame our way of thinking as EVIL and REDNECK. AND it will look ugly to any pro gun first term maj government.

103 seats went to the EXTREMIST socialists who became the official opposition!!! 31% of all votes cast!!! We are nowhere even close to fostering an ideology of firearm sensibility in society..... Big 'C' conservatism with which this topic must have. If we ram it down there throats too soon, like they've done to us for too long, the rhetoric and negative coverage will be unheralded. the ONLY reason PC's won maj is because of the lib bluevote.... and they are scared s**tless of guns....

An example of the fight we are in for;

The friends I surf with on van island, who mainly come from the mainland are some of back in the day clayoquot protesters. They are leaders and current ACTIVE cloverdale and all rodeo animal rights protesters, and who pretty much shut it down. They 're talking how they can't wait to get there PAL, then do LONG GUN petty CRIME ie, shooting in urban areas, stuff under the radar just to scew the stats of crime after this bill is past.

This is who we are really dealing with, the extreme left, with sensational acts, whom which the media loves. I mean please, even the centre left here are exhuming humanely euthanized sled dogs out too see if they've suffered or not, to untold tax payer expenses.

Lets take a deep breath, Let PM HArper move slowly with tact, as he has done, it'll take a min of three terms, as long he and his mp's don't corrupt first(mulroney), to convince and bury these half century entrenched ruling class socialistic ideals that have hurt so many in our great country for far too long. Baby steps

I think maybe you need some new friends. At best they sound like rabble rousing hooligans. At worst there're criminals who get a kick out of bringing persecution on themselves and others.
Report them. Perfect example of a licensing system that could work in our favour, and perhaps satisfy your "friends" that indeed the people control laws are strong enough.

it is a good thing the fact that the lgr will be gone soon. that i agree with. however i am still under the impression that one day all restricteds and semi's will be seized. you mention dawson college wich is a valid point. the thing to remember there is that only one person died at dawson thanks to the bad accuracy of the idiot shooter and the quick work of the police. if dawson turned out to be as bad as virginia tech, columbine, port arthur massacre or the recent one in arizona it would have been a very sad day for all of us. that i guarentee. it dosnt matter what party is in power or not. like i said in my previous post, firearm culture is not embraced in canada enogh unlike the states.

the one thing we truly need is to get the NRA here in canada. american politicians are afraid of the NRA and what they can do with the gun lobby. it would be a truly excellent day if we could get canadian politicians afraid of the NRA as well.

No, we're Canadian and the States lobbyists have no interest in our laws. Besides, by turning it into a "States" thing we'd get backlash about losing our identity. Besides, NRA means nada to our politicians. Our own countrymen are where the votes are.

I agree with all the 'baby steps' suggestions/ideas on this thread. Here's why;

1. The Conservatives will do whatever is most fiscally responsible. It makes fiscal sense to scrap the LGR, and the ATT system. Getting rid of anything more than that will require an expensive legal/political process and an expensive substitute (legislation is not 'free').

2. The Conservatives are, first and foremost, politicians. The gun registry debate this election got them who-knows-how-many votes; In the riding just north of me, Nipissing-Temiskaming, this issue is THE reason why the very popular liberal incumbent lost by 14 votes instead of winning by 15k. Harper will keep a bit of the gun-registry around so that he can attack it next election, and stir up you and I to vote. Common purpose, you see.

3. Politics is a pendulum; the harder you push it one direction, the harder it swings back. Radical changes that happen too fast don't stick. Just as our gun-rights were gradually eroded for the last 60 years, so too must they be gradually reinstated.

But that's just me. I hope/wish some of you fired-up guys are right; I'd love to see it all scrapped.

Well, I have one objection to a popular sentiment here; I don't think we should all carry handguns. I'd already be in jail if I was allowed to carry one when I was a younger man. The American model of handgun laws is not ideal. I work in the ER, and would hate to see all of our stab-wounds turn into GSW's.

So, why didn't you just stab them? Maybe we should outlaw knives. Whether you're "allowed" to or not, has no bearing on the homicide rates. I carry a knife, as do many people as they are handy. You know, in case you have to split a cheeseburger or something. Somehow it's managed to stay out of internal organs.
We would still have a licensing system, which really doesn't stop the determined.

 

[Agent Law]

No, we're Canadian and the States lobbyists have no interest in our laws. Besides, by turning it into a "States" thing we'd get backlash about losing our identity. Besides, NRA means nada to our politicians. Our own countrymen are where the votes are.

We can't expect support from the NRA, anyway. The only thing the NRA use Canada for is propaganda of what could happen to America... NRA have zero interest in what happens to their northern neighbour.

 

[ol'blacky]

So, why didn't you just stab them? Maybe we should outlaw knives.

I never said I didn't stab anyone.

Whether you're "allowed" to or not, has no bearing on the homicide rates. I carry a knife, as do many people as they are handy. You know, in case you have to split a cheeseburger or something. Somehow it's managed to stay out of internal organs.
We would still have a licensing system, which really doesn't stop the determined.

If someone is attacked with a firearm instead of a knife, that affects the homicide rate for that attack, I assure you.

Determined people are always going to commit crimes. Laws are often just to keep fools from hurting themselves and, especially, others.

I'd be careful with that 'split a cheesburger' talk; sounds socialist to me...

 

[flyinlead]

If you havn't already done so, join a firearms org. everybody. CSSA or NFA or both. We need this.

 

[whiplash]

Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a list here on the site (if someone already did, tell me where!!), of potential firearms-related requests that one can reference prior to writing his/her MP. For instance, the subject of this thread, the return of the .32, the .380, the < 4" barrel, full capacity mags, etc. That way all members could submit similar requests to the government, and also ensure they do not neglect to mention something in their letter.