Dealers and magazines...

Terrward said:
Just noticed the shrinkflation with the CZ tactical sport 2’s. 3-21round or 3-10round magazines SKU’s but somehow two magazines disappear out of the box when north Sylva imports them in.
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*Buys competition gun*
*Only comes with 1 mag wtf I need like 8*
*Buys 7 more mags, including paying more for the two they already paid for*
 
SomebodyTookMyName said:
As someone who's worked in numerous parts of the firearms industry for 10 years now (for both sponsor and non-sponsor retailers), I'll try to explain a bit since this question comes up a lot-


Point 1:
When a US company makes a specific model, they'll assign it a part number or SKU. Generally, any change to the configuration results in a change to the SKU. This means changing a bunch of minute procedures and bits of their production process.

I'll use S&W as an example- most of S&W's semi auto handguns come with magazines over ten rounds, so when a specific configuration for a new market needs to be made with a 10 round mag instead of 14, as far as they're concerned it's a "new model" with a new SKU. If you cross-reference S&W's part numbers on their site, you'll see there are different numbers for 10 round guns and 10+ round guns of otherwise identical models.

This means extra work for S&W, especially when Canada is a very small market (fewer people than the state of California), so they're changing their production/shipping procedures to account for seemingly minute changes for a very small order of guns. That means the additional cost for any changes is applied over a small number of guns, making the end result more expensive.

Point 2:
"Why don't they just pin the mags here then??"

Because believe it or not, not just anyone can legally pin a magazine in Canada, it is a specific privilege issued on a business license (which most businesses don't have) and most manufacturers aren't willing to do it themselves (slows down production etc. as explained above). So if a Canadian company wants to pin the mags themselves, they must first import full capacity mags (which are prohibited devices, requiring extra licensing and rigamaroll, and thus extra COST), then unpack/pin/repack a few hundred of thousand mags, again adding cost and slowing down the process.

Point 3:
To combat the two issues above- many manufacturers just ship firearms to Canada without magazines.

That means that the company that imports the gun is now responsible for sourcing mags domestically (at generally higher cost), and repackaging guns with their own mags. In the case of fairy universal magazines such as AR or Glock-pattern mags, most Canadian importers will order a large quantity of one brand of Canada-compliant magazine and ship one along with each gun. Of course there's nothing stopping them from adding more of those mags, save for increasing cost, and burning through a generally limited supply of mags faster than necessary.

The three points above combined mean that on a manufacturing/distribution end, more often than not, it isn't worth the additional cost to the retailers/distributors to try to sell firearms with the exact same magazine offerings as their US counterparts. Some manufacturers are better than others (kudos specifically to Glock on that one), but by and large it just doesn't work for Canada.

Nobody is stealing your magazines.

And a further point to the price gripers- remember that licensing/import fees, exchange rates, freight, duties, etc. are all added into the cost of getting a firearm into Canada before it ever hits a dealer's shelf. Further to that, the small size of our market, coupled with the ridiculous amount of restrictions and additional cost added in running a firearms-sales business in Canada means that Canadian dealers aren't able to survive on the type of margins US companies do.

Yes, guns cost more in Canada than they do in the USA, and there are a ton of different reasons for that. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck, but unfortunately it's not going to change anytime soon. If you're incapable of comprehending why guns cost more, that's a you-problem.
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Well one thing I will point out is several US states have 10 round mag limits as well, so this is no extra cost/expense to send the same neutered mags to Canada.
10 years in the business you say... should have at least known that.
 
Terrward said:
Just noticed the shrinkflation with the CZ tactical sport 2’s. 3-21round or 3-10round magazines SKU’s but somehow two magazines disappear out of the box when north Sylva imports them in.
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That's why I buy nothing North Sylva imports.
They screw everyone, the small dealers, the customer, it's basically their business motto.
I'm not shocked they are a site sponsor, but I am shocked more small dealers don't pull sponsorship BECAUSE of them.
The M10 fiasco, pulling mags, utterly useless service when their junk breaks, cutting out the small dealers that use to deal direct with foreign companies by purchasing more and getting "exclusive" dealer rights.
North Sylva sucks for everyone in Canada except North Sylva.
 
Point 2 on the list , said that some business licences can pin mags in Canada, while that was true at one time ,it has not been true for a few years now.
All mags must be pined before entering Canada.
Most companies are making 10 round mags ,as in some states , that is also all they can sell.
 
A local dealer has become quite slimy with their auctions of new and used guns. The mags that normaly come with the gun are auctioned separately.

They also sell the mags separately for guns they take in on trade and sell in store. A gun traded in with 2 mags, will be sold with only one mag.
 
Hitzy said:
That's why I buy nothing North Sylva imports.
They screw everyone, the small dealers, the customer, it's basically their business motto.
I'm not shocked they are a site sponsor, but I am shocked more small dealers don't pull sponsorship BECAUSE of them.
The M10 fiasco, pulling mags, utterly useless service when their junk breaks, cutting out the small dealers that use to deal direct with foreign companies by purchasing more and getting "exclusive" dealer rights.
North Sylva sucks for everyone in Canada except North Sylva.
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^^^ Yep, a bunch of dishonest crooks ^^^
 
Hitzy said:
That's why I buy nothing North Sylva imports.
They screw everyone, the small dealers, the customer, it's basically their business motto.
I'm not shocked they are a site sponsor, but I am shocked more small dealers don't pull sponsorship BECAUSE of them.
The M10 fiasco, pulling mags, utterly useless service when their junk breaks, cutting out the small dealers that use to deal direct with foreign companies by purchasing more and getting "exclusive" dealer rights.
North Sylva sucks for everyone in Canada except North Sylva.
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Not buying anything they import is fairly hard unless you want to deny yourself about half of what is available in this country. Absolute dickhead crooks though for sure. They are an actual detriment to the entire shooting community, full stop.
 
Who is the Canadian importer for Sig Sauer? Just got the law enforcement version of P320 with two mags (W320F), the box clearly says 3x17rd, lol.
 
Hitzy said:
Well one thing I will point out is several US states have 10 round mag limits as well, so this is no extra cost/expense to send the same neutered mags to Canada.
10 years in the business you say... should have at least known that.
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Ten years is enough for me to learn that it's not worth trying to explain every single nuance to strangers on the internet lol. While you're certainly correct, that point about mags doesn't cover all brands, I was trying to simplify things a bit instead of writing a longer novel yet. Also worth noting; some retailers don't even sell to said states for that specific reason. To further complicate matters, even if said states don't allow 10+ round mags, most still allow sub-4" barrels, so again it's still more rearranging for a big company to satisfy a tiny market to create a Canada-specific SKU.

I'll also say this Hitzy- you and I share very similar opinions on North Sylva, but sadly they've done a great job in making it nearly impossible to run a gun shop in Canada without them. If you start to look closer at certain dealers, you'll notice some unsettling trends in those that stock and flog a lot of NS-exclusive products...

marshall said:
Point 2 on the list , said that some business licences can pin mags in Canada, while that was true at one time ,it has not been true for a few years now.
All mags must be pined before entering Canada.
Most companies are making 10 round mags ,as in some states , that is also all they can sell.
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I remember hearing something about that, although if I recall correctly though, the companies originally issued licenses with permission to pin mags still retain that privilege. For example, if you look at Magpul PMAGs imported by Gravel Agency, they'll have a small cut on the plastic where the plastic bag package was opened, the mag was removed/pinned/replaced, and then a new heat-seal reapplied below the first.
 
I don't know why so many folks complain about NS, it's pretty obvious how they work when the company's motto is "Bend Over, here comes the love". I emailed an inquiry about the Auto Ord M1 carbine with folding stock - I got a reply that the M1A1 was prohibited, along with a link to the act - strangely I was unaware that the Thompson SMG came in 30 Carbine. So they aren't just shifty (that's a code word for dishonest) they're unintelligent (code word for denser than ironwood) too
 
Question, Im new to the firearms world this year. I ordered a CZ 75 during this time of apparent magazine shortage? well that's what I was told, and they were shipping with 1 magazine instead of the 2 or 3 normally advertised. I knew this and figured not too big a deal considering time we're in. I managed to get a bunch of magazines from various stores, thinking of future needs as well. CZ seems to ship with MECGAR? so far as I can see. Bought some that were labeled as CZ, but the mecgar stamps can be seen on the mag. Some were actually under the mecgar label and CZ nowhere to be found. All labeled for the CZ75 though. Now, the magazine that shipped with the 75 is really odd, and not identifiable in anyway I can see. It has a larger high plastic base instead of being crimped or pinned, similar to my MP 2.0 magazines. It also doesn't seem to fit as well as the mecgar mags, and doesn't drop freely when released, has to be pulled out. My questions are really, is this ok? could it damage the firearm itself over time? have you received the same and can identity what's being shipped? any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
Mecgar makes mags for many different firearms manufacturers, FN being one. By that I mean they provide the mags to the gun mnfr, they make a good product.

I've never handled a CZ 75, so I'll leave it to someone else to answer specifics on the gun/mag issue.
 
Reading this thread had me worried, so I followed up with the shop I bought my CZ Shadow 2 from (Easthill Outdoors) and confirmed they sell 3 mags with the gun. Highly recommend those folks, they were super helpful both on the phone and by email.
 
Just bought a Sig P320 X-Five Legion that is advertised with 3 mags (Sig's site) (dealer's web site specifically says 2 mags though and price was reduced).
Not sure what happened to the third mag. At least the dealer was giving a discount. (P.S. mags sell for around $100).
 
Rowancelt said:
...the magazine that shipped with the 75 is really odd, and not identifiable in anyway I can see. It has a larger high plastic base instead of being crimped or pinned, similar to my MP 2.0 magazines. It also doesn't seem to fit as well as the mecgar mags, and doesn't drop freely when released, has to be pulled out. My questions are really, is this ok? could it damage the firearm itself over time? have you received the same and can identity what's being shipped? any help or info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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Totally normal. My CZ75 BD shipped with two magazines like you are describing, although they dropped freely as far as I can remember.
 
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