Deer Dogs blue tic vs. beagle

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Now every hunter has his own opinion on dogs for deer hunting. I myself am a firm believer in the blue tic. where we hunt in ontario its all swamp, ponds, hills, rock and thick brush. the beagles dont have long enough legs to get through some water spots or keep on the deer through the rougher stuff. i will say though that at least you can count on a beagle to come back. blue tics, especially if you run em with their daddy or grand daddy or even both, keep on goin until they lose the deer(wich will take a very long time). some of our dogs have run bigger smarter deer into literaly the next township because the deer got by us and the dogs just wont stop. you cant match the energy of a blue tic. not to mention they each got their own personality thatl make u laugh everytime. i think the blue tics got the beagles beat on speed, definatly in the brush.


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Good hounds are found in all breeds and beagles are great little deer dogs. The faster the hound the faster and further the deer are going to run. I know a deer camp where they use beagles for the first couple days of the hunt. After that the deer get into a large swamp and the beagles aren't fast enough to move them out. That's when they bring in their rocket Walker. He's flies through the swamp and pushes the deer back out into the bush. Same thing could be done with a Beagle/Bluetick team.
 
We always used beagles for deer, I don't have any experience with Blue Tics. I was told by our senior member at our hunt camp that Blue Tics run too fast and that was a bad thing. Beagles seem to nudge the deer along instead of them coming through the line 100mph. I haven't hunted with good dogs in about 10 years and I really miss it.
 
My 'beagle' was a beagle/blue tic cross she chased a bit longer than your average beagle, and was 17 inches tall (longer than typical beagle legs).
Made for an excellent deer hound. It's what she lived for, you couldn't let her loose for ten seconds, or she'd be gone on a track.
Rarely did we have to go looking for her, probably the most reliable dog we've ever had, both in hunting, and in coming back.
 
we don't use dogs for anything but cougar and bear- and fowl, of course- i'd rather not have my meat rancidized from bambi being chased by rover
 
captonion said:
A 10min run is going to do that???
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oh, yea, unless you catch them feeding and do a bang-flop, or in their beds, any running, esp running at top speed- ie running for their lives -pumps a chemical cocktail of adrenelin and other chemicals into the system and you can taste it in the meat- that's why a spot and stalk deer or anything else tastes "better" than a "driven" hunt, be it men or dogs- it's even better to let them "settle down" if you don't get it the first time out than pursue at tight range
 
I have gotten deer in bow season where there is no pressure, and deer in rifle season that have been chased. They don't tast any different. I do hang my deer for 21 days!

t-star said:
running for their lives -pumps a chemical cocktail of adrenelin and other chemicals into the system and you can taste it in the meat
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A rutting buck would have this chased or not! I even think a doe in heat would also. It does in domestic live stock.I don't see deer being any different!
 
In 30 years of hunting deer with hounds, I've found it not so much the breed as it was the individual dog.

The smartest, most dependable & one who always came back was a great cold-trailer too ... was "Penny", a blue tic/border collie cross. No. 2 was the sweetest music, "Bugle" a pure Black & Tan. If he wasn't back from a run at the end of the day, put your coat down under a big spruce on your back trail out, he'd be on it in the morning. Some good July hounds out of Georgia, and a very memorable beagle "Mork".
Up on the ridges and in some dry hemlock swamps we had a lot of fun with "Boomer" the Bassett. The deer never went to far or too fast, but Boomer stuck with them, seldom pushing them to water. Lots of deer shot in front of that ol' fella.

Can't say that I've really ever had any bad-tasting venison, but some of the toughest and strong-tasting was from a big buck that was not run, but shot sneaking past a stand-hunter on a rainy day. Some of the best has been from a couple of "dry" does that were feeding on acorns ... jumped from their beds & run by the dogs ... probably less that 5 minutes in each instance. As good as any ag-area deer from below the shield.
 
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i had m,y first true northern ontario deer hunt with hounds this past fall . we had 5 beagles and one bluetic .boy the tic was fast . i love hunting with all dogs it adds so much to a huntto see the dogs doing hwta comes naturally is wonderfull and the antisapation of hearing the dog open up on a fresh deer was unblevable i realy enjoyed the hunt and hope to go agin next season
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I grew up in Georgia and hunted cotton tails in front of beagles and followed some awesome blue ticks through the swamps after raccoons. Never used either for deer but I never used one of either breed that I didn't appreciate for what they could do. I would agree that the beagle does just nudge their prey along. I'd have an easier time hitting something at beagle speed than at Blue tick speed.
 
congrats dutchhunter beautiful dog by the way

our camp is all blue tics, it takes a while to get used to the quick shooting and you may not always get the shot because the deer are moving to fast, but there is nothing like hearing them light up especially when theyr coming in your direction. when they actually do stay with you after the run each dog comes to each hunter looking for victory attention. the one that pushed the deer obviously gets the most attention. as for the taste, i bow hunt as well and dont find any difference in a running deer to a still deer. i will say though that hanging it longer does make a difference.
 
captonion said:
Faster the better! I have shot deer, where I could see the dog 10' or so behind the deer.Do they ever flip when you hit one running full out.
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that they do my friend my first deer was at ten yards running full out, in fact it almost ran right over my father in law. it spotted him and cut back, by that time i had my gun up, pulled ahead of it and she literaly did a summersault whe she hit the ground(hit her mid jump).
 
I have a 10 month old blue tic female that I will give to anyone that wants her.
My son brought her home after the deer hunt and I have no use for her.
This is in the Bancroft area.
 
I never hunted with hounds before, but one of my buddy's neighbour is a houndsman. I think his are a mix of begals and plotts.

So how often are you guys running around in the woods looking for your dogs?
 
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