Deer, Head shots, 22 250
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Pudelpointer
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To respond to comments:
1. Almost every head shot I have made has been with a 270 and 130 SST's, in either a Ruger No.1B or an A-Bolt lefty. Both rifles print 1/2" groups with reloads if I do my part. I took a blacktail (actually 3 over the years) at 285 - 305 yards (rangefinder) in a particular slash on the Sunshine Coast. Two years ago I took a whitetail with a head/neck shot AFTER hitting him with a lung shot at 275 yards (he took too long to fall down, stupid accubonds).
2. I would never advocate breaking ones provincial wildlife laws. I do not know where Sealhunter lives, and do not know what the calibre restrictions are for him. In BC hunting a friggin' moose or elk with a 223 is allowed while you can't use a 12 guage shotgun for the same quarry. IF Sealhunter is in Sask, AND the reg's say <23 cal is NOT allowed, then of course he should not be using his 22-250 for deer.
Cheers.
1. Almost every head shot I have made has been with a 270 and 130 SST's, in either a Ruger No.1B or an A-Bolt lefty. Both rifles print 1/2" groups with reloads if I do my part. I took a blacktail (actually 3 over the years) at 285 - 305 yards (rangefinder) in a particular slash on the Sunshine Coast. Two years ago I took a whitetail with a head/neck shot AFTER hitting him with a lung shot at 275 yards (he took too long to fall down, stupid accubonds).
2. I would never advocate breaking ones provincial wildlife laws. I do not know where Sealhunter lives, and do not know what the calibre restrictions are for him. In BC hunting a friggin' moose or elk with a 223 is allowed while you can't use a 12 guage shotgun for the same quarry. IF Sealhunter is in Sask, AND the reg's say <23 cal is NOT allowed, then of course he should not be using his 22-250 for deer.
Cheers.
Pudelpointer
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lethbridge, Alberta
I love how these ethics conversations always (almost) end up with someone being rude and making ignorant statements about things they have no experience with.
For many years I was very "anti-headshot", a position I inherited from mentors and family. After breaking with my families traditions around shooting, i.e. sighting in a week or so before a hunting trip, or sometimes on the first day of a trip with little to no shooting between seasons, I was fortunate enough to become friends with very knowledgeable shooter. Thus began a long process of leaning how to shoot, reload, and accurize rifles.
I learned long ago to only take shots that I KNEW I could make.
Do I think that 22 centre fires are a good choice for deer? There is no right answer for this. If you are new to hunting or cannot hit a 4" bullseye under field conditions at whatever distace, every time, then no, it is a very poor choice for deer period, never mind head shots. If you shoot often and are competent with your rifle - and it is legal - then the choice is yours.
Frankly, the ONLY shot I would take on a deer with a 22-250 is a head shot. To me, any other shot would be unethical as the chances of wounding an animal would be higher, this is my opinion.
It would be nice if those with zero personal experience on a subject could voice there opinions WITHOUT being a-holes about it. I am not saying do not comment, by all means let us know what you think, but do not assume that everyone shoots like you do, or is a scumbag because they may feel comfortable taking a shot you would not dream of. In other words, share your experience or thoughts in a civil, polite manner so we can all consider your ideas without discounting you as another big mouth POS.
For many years I was very "anti-headshot", a position I inherited from mentors and family. After breaking with my families traditions around shooting, i.e. sighting in a week or so before a hunting trip, or sometimes on the first day of a trip with little to no shooting between seasons, I was fortunate enough to become friends with very knowledgeable shooter. Thus began a long process of leaning how to shoot, reload, and accurize rifles.
I learned long ago to only take shots that I KNEW I could make.
Do I think that 22 centre fires are a good choice for deer? There is no right answer for this. If you are new to hunting or cannot hit a 4" bullseye under field conditions at whatever distace, every time, then no, it is a very poor choice for deer period, never mind head shots. If you shoot often and are competent with your rifle - and it is legal - then the choice is yours.
Frankly, the ONLY shot I would take on a deer with a 22-250 is a head shot. To me, any other shot would be unethical as the chances of wounding an animal would be higher, this is my opinion.
It would be nice if those with zero personal experience on a subject could voice there opinions WITHOUT being a-holes about it. I am not saying do not comment, by all means let us know what you think, but do not assume that everyone shoots like you do, or is a scumbag because they may feel comfortable taking a shot you would not dream of. In other words, share your experience or thoughts in a civil, polite manner so we can all consider your ideas without discounting you as another big mouth POS.
stubblejumper said:Perhaps a great politician.Most likely one that uses a 270 for moose or elk.
I have used a .270Win exactly one time, on a whitetail buck. I was using 140gr Nosler Accubonds and killed the deer with 2 well placed shots through the lungs; both were complete pass-throughs. I was not happy with the size of the wound channels. I believe the bonded bullet was probably the issue. A Hornady IL would likely have made a bigger wound channel.
The rifle leaning against the tree is a M-700 Sendero in .270Win, a kind of an odd cartridge in the Sendero. I don't think it was manufactured in great numbers.
I am probably going to take that .270Win when I go after antelope, and I have loaded up a bunch of 140gr Hornady BTSP IL's for the trip south.
Now as for moose(elk), I consider the .30-06 adequate but not ideal. I shot half a dozen bulls with the .30-06 and then switched to the .338WM, which is ideal; shot a dozen bulls with that. The last moose I shot was with a .416RM and that is a great moose cartridge.
When I consider cartridges, I do not think about whether or not it will kill the animal, when presented with a perfect broadside shot. I want something that I know will be able to bust through the shoulder and reach the vitals, when the shot angle is not ideal.
I mean if you waited for the perfect broadside shot every time (or maybe snuck in a head shot), then the .270 could be considered a cape buffalo cartridge... obviously I don't think it is...
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My opinion?
No head shots.
No matter the caliber.
Pierced ears to broken jaws, in case you don't hit where you wanted, don't do it for me.
Take you're best shot, but aim for the boiler with a decent weight bullet of at least 100 grains.
No head shots.
No matter the caliber.
Pierced ears to broken jaws, in case you don't hit where you wanted, don't do it for me.
Take you're best shot, but aim for the boiler with a decent weight bullet of at least 100 grains.
That what it looks like to you Brutus? Looks like a prime bit of a troll post to me.
Pretty much from get go.
Not bad response, either. Two pages and a couple squabbles started.
out to those that bit. Cheers
Trev
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- Back in the Peace Country
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
True words Trev........this last page has summed it up pretty well too.
Nothing like experience to put things into a different light.
Demonical's perspective, with his last post, is very good and thought provocking I believe.
Cheers Trev..........
And Good luck with you know what!!
Nothing like experience to put things into a different light.
Demonical's perspective, with his last post, is very good and thought provocking I believe.
Cheers Trev..........
And Good luck with you know what!!
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
I find it astounding how many people feel challenged/threatened by others ability.
As far as Demonicals post goes, some guys like the big guns/bigger guns. Fat guns/faster guns, etc etc
As he said, he likes a gun that is going to put a bullet right through the shoulder if something isn't right with the shot.
I use a 30/30 have never lost an animal, but the way I hunt is suited to that rifle, and I have often passed on shots that Demonical could have taken.
Don't be so intimidated.
The thread is not a troll thread either. Look at the people who have made good sound posts, either for or against. I have learned a few things on this thread and so have some others. So all in all, it's doing OK
Things go astray when guys like you Brutus shoot your uninformed ineperienced BS into the mix.
As far as Demonicals post goes, some guys like the big guns/bigger guns. Fat guns/faster guns, etc etc
As he said, he likes a gun that is going to put a bullet right through the shoulder if something isn't right with the shot.
I use a 30/30 have never lost an animal, but the way I hunt is suited to that rifle, and I have often passed on shots that Demonical could have taken.
Don't be so intimidated.
The thread is not a troll thread either. Look at the people who have made good sound posts, either for or against. I have learned a few things on this thread and so have some others. So all in all, it's doing OK
Things go astray when guys like you Brutus shoot your uninformed ineperienced BS into the mix.
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
- Location
- Back in the Peace Country
See how simple that was,
No I'm not,
Actually, I have never seen snowhunter posts before that I recall.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You made the choice to post a controversial thread, that appears/alludes to illegal activity in your province.
I can further sum this up with a one word answer Sealhunter:
Ethics
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- Back in the Peace Country
The Ethics police are on site
The alluding to illegal activity...
I'll let you off with your mistake this once, but if you suggest again that I am alluding to illegal activity, it will not slide
You have decided, in your misinformed head, to assume too much...
