Defense against BEARS.
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Ummm there's only 13 pages
I cant say i fully understand that, it says 31 on my screen, oh well heres a link to it, its half way down the page.http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=451232&page=23
No No No, your missing half the fun if your not running over trees, bushed, shrubs, varmints and magestic wild life. And getting enviromentalists so hopping mad. they chase you around with big sticks... man you are SO missing out!!LOL
Yeah tread lightly...
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Here in Bantario all I use is the hand axe because its all the law says I can bring in the summer.... Cans of foaming hornet spray work too.... For black bears anyway. Neither of these are a good choice for Grizz...
Says who? I have talked to numerous co's and never a mention of such b.s. Camping in the summer bringing a gun for plinking and defense was the specific point of discussion, and they were perfectly fine with that. Hunting regs apply to huntin, not defense or plinking. Regardless worst that could happen is u get a fine. Beats getting mauled by a bear, or losing a loved one. Regardless call the co where you are camping I guarantee they ok you to bring a rifle. Bear protection and plinking are legal all year around. Get the name of the co and even ask him/her to email you a letter if you need it in writing.
I am one of those that believes in big heavy bullets for bear defense and have packed shotguns/lever/bolt/single shots/handguns my two main defense rifles right now are a Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 loaded with 350gr - 550gr bullets and my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM loaded with 300gr - 350gr bullets.
I was out in the mountains today with my 2 sons I took along my new Robinson Arms XCR in 223 with several LAR 10 round mags.
We found an old basketball on the side of the road so started rolling it down a hill and emptying the 10 round mag into it was amazing how fast we could empty a 10 round mag into that ball.
I also shot at some 6" - 8" diameter popular trees my 60gr Sierra Varminter HP loads blasted thru them easily...
I'm thinking that if I was loaded with my 55gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loads I would have absolutely no issue with facing down any black bear because this combo will kill it...
I would prefer one heavy .459" or .375" round but like I said I wouldn't have any issues using the XCR in 223...
I was out in the mountains today with my 2 sons I took along my new Robinson Arms XCR in 223 with several LAR 10 round mags.
We found an old basketball on the side of the road so started rolling it down a hill and emptying the 10 round mag into it was amazing how fast we could empty a 10 round mag into that ball.
I also shot at some 6" - 8" diameter popular trees my 60gr Sierra Varminter HP loads blasted thru them easily...
I'm thinking that if I was loaded with my 55gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loads I would have absolutely no issue with facing down any black bear because this combo will kill it...
I would prefer one heavy .459" or .375" round but like I said I wouldn't have any issues using the XCR in 223...
I am one of those that believes in big heavy bullets for bear defense and have packed shotguns/lever/bolt/single shots/handguns my two main defense rifles right now are a Marlin 1895GS in 45-70 loaded with 350gr - 550gr bullets and my 21" barreled Rem 700 LSS in 375RUM loaded with 300gr - 350gr bullets.
I was out in the mountains today with my 2 sons I took along my new Robinson Arms XCR in 223 with several LAR 10 round mags.
We found an old basketball on the side of the road so started rolling it down a hill and emptying the 10 round mag into it was amazing how fast we could empty a 10 round mag into that ball.
I also shot at some 6" - 8" diameter popular trees my 60gr Sierra Varminter HP loads blasted thru them easily...
I'm thinking that if I was loaded with my 55gr Trophy Bonded Bear Claw loads I would have absolutely no issue with facing down any black bear because this combo will kill it...
I would prefer one heavy .459" or .375" round but like I said I wouldn't have any issues using the XCR in 223...
Your little popcorn eating guy tells me your expecting a 'show'... I bairly escaped the 'last showing' with my life (and I even suggeted a .223 AP cartridge)... so pardon me while hide behind the couch...
I was told by a CO that if your not hunting and its not hunting season for which you have a valid licence to have a high power rifle in the woods then your breaking the law as per the wildlife act. so in ontario that means from june 15th to August when bear season opens you can't legally carry a high power for protection. Regardless this is a grey area and if it comes to the protection of my wife and three youngsters trust me I will be slappin' leather to the threat. I just wish that a private citizen could apply for a wilderness carry permit..... Like I said Bantario!
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Thats B.S. I have heard before. I have read the hunting regs and there is nothing to say that if you have a gun you are assumed to be hunting. If you are clearly not hunting they cant do anything. Just have some targets in your bag. But I have asked 2 seperate CO's this question 1 in Thunder Bay the other in Parry Sound, and they said as long as you follow transport laws you are good. You dont need a hunting license to target shoot in the woods at all. Innocent until proven guilty. That is the law. Worst case you go to court, and win.
Your case:
- discharging a firearm is legal on crown land
- I had targets up, or in my bag
- firearm was cased
- no game in my posession
- no camo, or any other hunting gear
Co's case:
- he had a gun with no hunting license and no open season so I assumed he was hunting
I cant see any judge sideing with the CO in this case.
May come down to the individual CO I guess. But I dont think they wanna and up in court over such things. The ones I have talked to and run into seem like reasonable people so i will trust they would make the right call.
Your case:
- discharging a firearm is legal on crown land
- I had targets up, or in my bag
- firearm was cased
- no game in my posession
- no camo, or any other hunting gear
Co's case:
- he had a gun with no hunting license and no open season so I assumed he was hunting
I cant see any judge sideing with the CO in this case.
May come down to the individual CO I guess. But I dont think they wanna and up in court over such things. The ones I have talked to and run into seem like reasonable people so i will trust they would make the right call.
No No No, your missing half the fun if your not running over trees, bushed, shrubs, varmints and magestic wild life. And getting enviromentalists so hopping mad. they chase you around with big sticks... man you are SO missing out!!LOL
Yeah tread lightly...
I agree, the only way someone can be charged with pouching is if they are caught in the act. (game wardens often set up dummy taxidermed animals for the poacher to shoot. this shows intention.) otherwise you could arrest every kid that brings his bow to shoot while he is camping. and declare him a poacher.
Basically just because your carrying a pocket knife, doesn’t mean you going to stab someone with it. They have to prove intent. Otherwise its moot.
Or wait... I may be wrong, I just realized we could all be arrested on grounds of attempted murder. if we are caught with a rife within 1 mile of a human being we could be charged as a potential SNIPER!! any time of year including hunting season!!
Because we had a gun where people were congregating. I'm selling all my guns right now... no burning them... awe s**t I gotta run! cops are here, they must have found out I have guns stored in the house. s**t I'm a fugitive sniper now...
RUN!! SAVE YOUR SELVES!!!
...point taken???
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what we are all talking about here is bear protection not target shooting while camping. If you have a firearm in your possession out of hunting season and the CO can prove intent that you were going to use it you can be charged under the WILDLIFE ACT in Ontario. This has NOTHING to do with proper firearms handling or target shooting on crown land. Regardless of what is stated on here it was a local CO that told me this when I asked and I would not want to get caught up in an expensive court battle just to prove my innocence. I would rather face the black bear with an AXE!
Good luck to all in your bear protection endeavors..... I'm out.
I was told by a CO that if your not hunting and its not hunting season for which you have a valid licence to have a high power rifle in the woods then your breaking the law as per the wildlife act. so in ontario that means from june 15th to August when bear season opens you can't legally carry a high power for protection. Regardless this is a grey area and if it comes to the protection of my wife and three youngsters trust me I will be slappin' leather to the threat. I just wish that a private citizen could apply for a wilderness carry permit..... Like I said Bantario!
I heard this one too, this seems de rigeur in the province that presumes guilt by proxy. Big Brother is convicting you by circumstance and not actual violation.
what we are all talking about here is bear protection not target shooting while camping. If you have a firearm in your possession out of hunting season and the CO can prove intent that you were going to use it you can be charged under the WILDLIFE ACT in Ontario. This has NOTHING to do with proper firearms handling or target shooting on crown land. Regardless of what is stated on here it was a local CO that told me this when I asked and I would not want to get caught up in an expensive court battle just to prove my innocence. I would rather face the black bear with an AXE!
Good luck to all in your bear protection endeavors..... I'm out.
No he can't prove intent. the key word is PROVE, just because you were holding a rife does not PROOVE you were going to use it, it would be thrown out of court.
According to your sources : you are only allowed to carry a rifle during hunting season, correct?? Nope, you still not allowed according to your CO. Because the mere possession of the rifle stands as PROOF of intent to use it in his eyes, But what intent is he referring to, well I guess its what ever he imagines it to be. So in his mind, you could use it to snipe people. And ABRA-CADABRA-&-TAD-DAAHHH you are now on trial for attempted murder, since their is no hunting season for human beings. And you were holding the rifle in close proxy to people you ar now an attempted murderer.(I.E the evidence of your guilt can be found in his imagination. I'm sure the court will have his head examined, but not for evidence.)
The CO you talked to is a drug rehab reject, go seek other opinions in the matter rather than one mentally divergent CO, and get them to put their opinion in writing, or direct you to a law in which vindicates you of this. (it should be easy to find) then present it to your 'CO' or any other person that challeges your right to carry that rifle.
Game officers that take down poachers do so as I have outlined in my previous post. they set up a 'taxidermed' dummy animal for a poacher to shoot. The game officer does not do anything until the trigger is pulled or the arrow is loosed. THIS PROOVES INTENT, nothing else short a dead animal in your truck, or firing on a live one.
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In an area legal to discharge a firearm, you can point a loaded rifle at a deer - out of season with no liscence - and not break any laws. They can't ding you for poaching unless you are in possesion of game killed by you. Thats like saying you can try somebody for stabbing someone to death because they are carrying a pocketknife downtown.
