Deletion of VC
- Thread starter PeterPan
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Well.....what about ICS?
What will be used for international classification if all Standards are dropped?
John
What will be used for international classification if all Standards are dropped?
John
I have concerns about what will happen to the ICS scores if VC is scrapped, as almost all of the classifiers shot in BC were VC (with the exception of CLC69). I'd hate to see all our members declassified if the Classifiers were deleted.
Far preferable is the USPSA method where, once declared obsolete, an old classifier remains in the database but no new scores may be submitted for it.
Far preferable is the USPSA method where, once declared obsolete, an old classifier remains in the database but no new scores may be submitted for it.
SVISTI1911
CGN Regular
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- Kitchener, Ontario
The stages don't have to be scrapped, just re-shot and re-calculated without the Virginia count rules/penalties for extra shoots.
- Location
- Prince George B.C.
Which is it?
Virginia and Standards gone or just Virginia?
John
Virginia and Standards gone or just Virginia?
John
It would be a shame to lose Virginia count, but it does simplify the game. I imagine they'd find some way to deal with classifications rather than torpedo the whole system. One proposal is also to do away with multiple strings, again it simplifies things - I know its clear in the rulebook, but V.Count still causes disputes.
Just leave it alone.
How much does the game have to change??
Although some competitors may like the idea, I've seen more than a few shooters pile up on the standards...
Personally I feel they should just practice it a bit more so they don't pile up. Eliminating a challenge because of it's difficulty just dums down the whole IMO.
Cheers
How much does the game have to change??
Although some competitors may like the idea, I've seen more than a few shooters pile up on the standards...
Personally I feel they should just practice it a bit more so they don't pile up. Eliminating a challenge because of it's difficulty just dums down the whole IMO.
Cheers
The problem is that some people are classified, but they've only shot VC classifiers. So now, all of a sudden they're unclassified because they need to reshoot (and repay) for the classifiers they already shot?
I realize it's only a few bucks, but getting things to the point where they were able to shoot those classifiers to begin with was enough of a hassle.
Would it eliminate the difficulty? Depends on stage design. I think the big difference is that there would be fewer zeros. In the end a skilled shooter will still be on top, but the rest will at least score a few points. As far as classifiers, I'd hope that they would at least honour the current scores, that would be enough for me.
SVISTI1911
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kitchener, Ontario
Sorry, I am not sure how your classification systems works in BC, but wouldn't you just keep your current classification? At least until the new stages could be done? Then just carry on as usual?
Well, from the GV...
Paul Hyland suggests:
and Vince Pinto responds with:
As far as ICS goes, if all you've shot are the VC stages, and the previous scores are deleted, then you have no more ICS classifiers on your record. I would think that means you're now unclassified as your classification is based on the top 4 of your 8 most recent classifiers.
Our section (IPSCBC) classification will be untouched, but ICS classification (which is the only classification system recognized at the Nationals) is a big problem.
Paul Hyland suggests:
and Vince Pinto responds with:
As far as ICS goes, if all you've shot are the VC stages, and the previous scores are deleted, then you have no more ICS classifiers on your record. I would think that means you're now unclassified as your classification is based on the top 4 of your 8 most recent classifiers.
Our section (IPSCBC) classification will be untouched, but ICS classification (which is the only classification system recognized at the Nationals) is a big problem.
SVISTI1911
CGN Regular
- Location
- Kitchener, Ontario
Yes, it is more of a issue nationally as opposed to provincial classifications. Classifications and how they are calculated has always been a issue at the forefront since I can remember. I don't think this issue will ever be laid to rest. Maybe as a temporary measure previous scores at the nationals could be used until new classifiers can be set up. Not like we will have that much say in it but it is a thought.
deletion of VC
which brings up a point I've been trying to push before..... if we were required nation-wide to use (and send scores in for) one ICS stage in every Level 2 or higher match then within a year or so every shooter with any interest in IPSC would have shot enough matches to become classified on a nation-wide level (Regional--Canada) and also World level (regardless of whether or not they take away those previously shot as Virginia Count).........so many people have been fighting over finding some similar way to classify against each provinces classification system and the simple answer is right in front of us ready to be used (we DO use it at Nationals, but without enough people classified it is next to useless).......this would also eliminate people only shooting enough to be classified (or under-classified) and also eliminate the practice of only sending in those they wish to (as all scores would be sent in...if you want to trash the ICS stage either short, medium or long course then they would have to take the hit in their final standings at Level 2 Qualifiers and above)
which brings up a point I've been trying to push before..... if we were required nation-wide to use (and send scores in for) one ICS stage in every Level 2 or higher match then within a year or so every shooter with any interest in IPSC would have shot enough matches to become classified on a nation-wide level (Regional--Canada) and also World level (regardless of whether or not they take away those previously shot as Virginia Count).........so many people have been fighting over finding some similar way to classify against each provinces classification system and the simple answer is right in front of us ready to be used (we DO use it at Nationals, but without enough people classified it is next to useless).......this would also eliminate people only shooting enough to be classified (or under-classified) and also eliminate the practice of only sending in those they wish to (as all scores would be sent in...if you want to trash the ICS stage either short, medium or long course then they would have to take the hit in their final standings at Level 2 Qualifiers and above)
Ics
No matter how useless ICS seems , at least with some type of national base system our Provincial classification differences are nullified and if everyone participated in using one system then a good database can be made to properly classify everyone according to each others abilities no matter which Province you live in.........much better than what is being used right now (a system no one has to use but when used does not have enough people classified to be of any use)
No matter how useless ICS seems , at least with some type of national base system our Provincial classification differences are nullified and if everyone participated in using one system then a good database can be made to properly classify everyone according to each others abilities no matter which Province you live in.........much better than what is being used right now (a system no one has to use but when used does not have enough people classified to be of any use)
ICS may be a waste of time, but it is the only system that Canada is recognizing at the National Level. If people don't like it, then they should provide their suggestions for a superior system up the food chain to their Section Coordinator/Regional Director.
As yet, I have heard a lot of suggestions about how to run a national classification system, but none of them are as good or better than the ICS system.
As yet, I have heard a lot of suggestions about how to run a national classification system, but none of them are as good or better than the ICS system.
If everyone in Canada competed regularly against each other the National ranking might be of more concern to people. Same goes for ICS. Provincial standings seem to work just fine for most people, at least as long as they actually like their Provincial system.
