Desert Tech MDR faces partial delay and a price increase
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Totally stupid, joke indeed.
A friends "AK-74" will shoot 2.5 MOA or better with 7N6 surplus and other steel cased fare, while many Tavors, especially of the X95 variety, would hardly seem to match that with good ammo and an optic.
There are some individual Tavors that shoot tight mechanically but the majority seem to be downright mediocre for a relatively new design in 5.56, combat grade or no.
Well I am thinking that maybe just maybe building a great bolt action and building a great RELIABLE bulpup semi auto rifle might be really a different cup of tea. Unlike RA, kel-tec or Norinco , DTA have a stellar reputation building a really limited offering of firearms and they might be realizing the brand damage that could be done by releasing a subpar offering witch could explain the delays.
r34skyline
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I think you are 100% correct. And I hope they stick to that quality mindset and release a world class bullpup. The aug has been dominating the bullpup crown for far too long.
In fact, the MSRP of the .308 version has ONLY risen $75 in three years.
In US$, that is...
The really big difference is the exchange rate, completely out of DT control.
From the press conference held at SHOT 2014, the target price was US$2450
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1020432-2014-SHOT-show-Desert-Tech-MDR-bullpup
In US$, that is...
The really big difference is the exchange rate, completely out of DT control.
From the press conference held at SHOT 2014, the target price was US$2450
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1020432-2014-SHOT-show-Desert-Tech-MDR-bullpup
You are very correct. On the other hand, there is only so much time available, when the company is burning cash once it is committed to production, so positive cash flow much be generated. Every delay means money tied up in parts and materials, and the company is making mortgage payment for equipment that it has purchased for the line.
The fact that MDR has a polymer body means it has a mould out there. Since DT is no plastic engineer and manufacturer, this thing is most likely run by another contractor. So if that thing is not working out right out of the gate, it will be another delay and cash burn. Remember MSAR, they have lots of problems when they could not duplicate the tolerance of the AUG plastic stock in the beginning. But they kept shipping and deal with return because it generated positive cash flow, and the cost of return is justified.
The pressure will be on DT to push this out at this stage. That is why a lot of small manufacturers tend to push out half baked products, because whenever a new product is made there is a point positive cash flow must happen. If you have a lot finance resources like cash or investors who will support you, you will have more time. If you are financed by banks and private lenders, you will be in a more tricky position and have a smaller time window.
rommelrommel
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IWI was saying that there will be a 308 tavor, I think the suggestion was some time this year too.
308 X95 or 308 Tavor?
A NR 308 better be capable of minute of deer heart at 300 or 400m, which is the attraction of 308 MDR and 308 APC.
BlackWatch
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Is the MDR capable of this? I don't know if a bullpup would be capable of that distance/accuracy.
Tavor or new X95 configuration?
My thought exactly, they probably won't settle for anything less accurate than 2 moa.
Sounds like your next rifle will be a Norinco if you're offended by a $4000 rifle of the quality that DT builds. What do you expect to pay for a rifle like this?
I've confirmed with DT that they will be using Lothar Walther barrels which if you know anything about rifles you'll know they are top notch and the barrel alone will be $500+ but probably closer to $1000. My DT SRS in 338L will shoot better than 1/2 moa when I do my part and while I don't expect a semi auto to match that I'm sure the MDR will be better than any other factory built non restricted rifle out there. I won't bother telling you how much my SRS cost because I don't want you to short circuit.
The price is high because of our crappy dollar and the idiotic import fees the governments keep increasing. If we lived in the US the price would be $2500 but from the sounds of it you wouldn't be happy with that either.
If you think a quality non restricted rifle can be built for less go ahead and build one, you'll be rich if you can do it and get it to market in Canada in the $1500 range.
Why do you think a bullpup isn't capable of accuracy or distance?
If the rifle has a quality barrel and is designed with accuracy in mind it would be very possible. Our current offerings were designed with battle rifle accuracy in mind and they deliver exactly that.
I don't understand why so many people think that just because a rifle costs over $2500 it must be a piece of junk if it can't shoot 1 moa groups. Accuracy and cost are not related, you are paying for engineering, R&D, materials, labour etc. If you want a quality rifle built in a country where they don't use child labor and crap materials and half ass'd engineering then you have to pay for it. A skilled firearms technician in a US factory isn't going to work for $8/hr so the price goes up, skilled and experienced engineers don't work for $25k a year so the price goes up.
Either accept the price or don't buy one, don't worry though, the retailers won't be able to import them fast enough to keep them on the shelves.
I'd be interested in .308 X95, but not if it shoots as accurately as a Mini-14 on the A-Team...
I think the mini 14 holds a couple world records for accuracy, largest grouping and least amount of damage to a barn door after 10 rounds fired if I recall correctly
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BlackWatch
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What import fees are applied? $2500 us is $3300 Canadian. If this is as good as their reputation I would spend $4000. I was close to buying an APC but you can't hunt deer with it where I am and a 39 inch 9lb rifle just isn't practical for what I want. A 28" 308 that shoots 1.5 moa is a unicorn.
So was it last year that DT dropped off an MDR to the rcmp for royal approval? If so how much longer should that take and would that prototype be close enough to the final product to qualify?
So was it last year that DT dropped off an MDR to the rcmp for royal approval? If so how much longer should that take and would that prototype be close enough to the final product to qualify?
Call IRunGuns and ask how much it will cost to get a rifle across the border.
The RCMP can pretty much take as long as they want to classify a rifle and even if DT dropped off a sample it would be a restricted rifle. I spoke to an employee at DT and was told they won't be producing the 18.6" version for at least a year after they start full production of the rifle since they are going to fill all US orders first before considering any other options.
