Did you know? 14 ROUNDS LEGAL
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DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH THIS LAW!!!!! YOU WILL SCREW EVERYTHING UP FOR PISTOL OWNERS. ONCE THEY CATCH WIND OF THIS WHAT DO YOU REALLY THINK WILL BE THE END RESULT! CHANGING THE MAG LAWS TO ALLOW HICAP OR MAKEING THEM WORSE AND ONLY ALLOWING 5RND.
LEAVE IT ALONE !!!
CSSA KNOWS HOW THIS WILL GET TURNED AROUND BUT THEY DONT CARE, ITS NOT GOING TO BE THEM IN COURT. IT WILL BE YOU.
ONCE YOU PUT 9MM AMMO INTO A 40 CAL MAG AND YOU PASS THE 10RND MARK. YOU NOW HAVE A PROHIB DEVICE AND ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
try to explain this sistuation to a judge... what do you think will happen. even with your silly little letter.
LEAVE IT ALONE !!!CSSA KNOWS HOW THIS WILL GET TURNED AROUND BUT THEY DONT CARE, ITS NOT GOING TO BE THEM IN COURT. IT WILL BE YOU.
ONCE YOU PUT 9MM AMMO INTO A 40 CAL MAG AND YOU PASS THE 10RND MARK. YOU NOW HAVE A PROHIB DEVICE AND ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
try to explain this sistuation to a judge... what do you think will happen. even with your silly little letter.
Toronto driven laws: it is a wonder the provinces, including Ontario, do not secede from the GTA. The tail certainly wags the dog in this loose federation of Canada.
Perhaps a wall should be built around that city or a moat filled with Liberal and NDP politicians who lost their seats.
I have confidence in Alberta.
Perhaps a wall should be built around that city or a moat filled with Liberal and NDP politicians who lost their seats.
I have confidence in Alberta.
tactical870
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That's true in a single stack mag, not in a double stack. But trying to figure it out based on the diameter, angle and width of the mag in a double stack makes my head hurt.....
VERY TRUE
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DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH THIS LAW!!!!! YOU WILL SCREW EVERYTHING UP FOR PISTOL OWNERS. ONCE THEY CATCH WIND OF THIS WHAT DO YOU REALLY THINK WILL BE THE END RESULT! CHANGING THE MAG LAWS TO ALLOW HICAP OR MAKEING THEM WORSE AND ONLY ALLOWING 5RND.
CSSA KNOWS HOW THIS WILL GET TURNED AROUND BUT THEY DONT CARE, ITS NOT GOING TO BE THEM IN COURT. IT WILL BE YOU.
ONCE YOU PUT 9MM AMMO INTO A 40 CAL MAG AND YOU PASS THE 10RND MARK. YOU NOW HAVE A PROHIB DEVICE AND ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
try to explain this sistuation to a judge... what do you think will happen. even with your silly little letter.
Tell that to the LAR15 mag owners, ruger charger owners, 3.5" 12 Gauge semi auto owners, CX4 owners, etc.
The RCMP/CFC STATED that it is NOT illegal to do so, so do it if you like.
DO NOT MESS AROUND WITH THIS LAW!!!!! YOU WILL SCREW EVERYTHING UP FOR PISTOL OWNERS. ONCE THEY CATCH WIND OF THIS WHAT DO YOU REALLY THINK WILL BE THE END RESULT! CHANGING THE MAG LAWS TO ALLOW HICAP OR MAKEING THEM WORSE AND ONLY ALLOWING 5RND.
CSSA KNOWS HOW THIS WILL GET TURNED AROUND BUT THEY DONT CARE, ITS NOT GOING TO BE THEM IN COURT. IT WILL BE YOU.
ONCE YOU PUT 9MM AMMO INTO A 40 CAL MAG AND YOU PASS THE 10RND MARK. YOU NOW HAVE A PROHIB DEVICE AND ARE BREAKING THE LAW.
try to explain this sistuation to a judge... what do you think will happen. even with your silly little letter.
A number of people and organizations with clear credentials have already weighed in on this.
In the interest of not turning it into an Internet pissing match, maybe you could explain your credentials and your clear stake/involvement with them.
BTW, the opinion of the authors of those 'silly letters' are the nations leading subject matter experts on Firearms classification. Just sorta FYI.
I agree that the less we openly talk about 'workarounds' such as this, the better.
Imagine some time in the near future the government decides "well if .40 cal mags are being used improperly then why don't we ban .40 caliber everything. Problem solved"
I am sure lots will disagree with that horror story but there have been banned cal's in the past and I am sure the liberals would be more than willing to do it in the future..
Imagine some time in the near future the government decides "well if .40 cal mags are being used improperly then why don't we ban .40 caliber everything. Problem solved"
I am sure lots will disagree with that horror story but there have been banned cal's in the past and I am sure the liberals would be more than willing to do it in the future..
canucklehead
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Believe what you wish, and act accordingly. It's already been proven that you are incorrect.
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Hmmmm....wouldn't this then be a modification making the mag a device that is no longer in its original configuration and therefore possibly illegal????
I don't know but 'tweaking' seems a little sketchy to me
John
so long as it still works in the gun it was intended for, without modification, you're fine.
Some people need to get their heads out of their asses (not you John), this has been known about for ages, and has been commented on by the RCMP and the CFC, it's why we can use ten rounders in our AR's, it's why the Storm can use pistol mags, it's legal, and it's fine.
Some people need to get their heads out of their asses (not you John), this has been known about for ages, and has been commented on by the RCMP and the CFC, it's why we can use ten rounders in our AR's, it's why the Storm can use pistol mags, it's legal, and it's fine.
You Will Be Just Fine
The RCMP does not determine the meaning of legislation. Judges determine what the law means.
Think about it. What if an RCMP or another bureaucrat writes an erroneous statement of law? Say this erroneous statement of law is provided to you in the form of a letter. Will this letter bind a judge?
Can you imagine a judge, say, in the Supreme Court of Canada saying, “Having reviewed the legislation and listened to counsel from the defense and Crown, I find that the magazine is a prohibited device. But the RCMP said the magazine is “ok,” so we will go with that.”
I think there are two issues being confused in this thread. One issue is: “Do regulatory officials determine what is lawful and what is illegal?” The answer to that is simply “no, the courts do.”
Another issue is, “if I act upon the written advice of an RCMP official, and that advice is faulty, can I be convicted of an offence?”
Please note that officials can and do give erroneous advice. For that matter, the ruling of one judge may be over-ruled by a higher court. Thus, the determination of a lower court may be found to be erroneous by a higher court. However, in cases where a person has acted upon advice given to him by a regulatory official, in this case the RCMP, there is a lawful defense know as “officially induced error.” The principals read like this:
“The defence of "officially induced error" is available as a defence to an alleged violation of a regulatory statute where an accused has reasonably relied upon the erroneous legal opinion or advice of an official who is responsible for the administration or enforcement of the particular law. In order for the accused to successfully raise this defence, he must show that he relied on the erroneous legal opinion of the official and that his reliance was reasonable. The reasonableness will depend upon several factors including the efforts he made to ascertain the proper law, the complexity or obscurity of the law, the position of the official who gave the advice, and the clarity, definitiveness and reasonableness of the advice given.”
In certain circumstances, and perhaps even in this case, your letter from the RCMP might work as a defense. In that circumstance, a judge might enter a judicial stay of proceedings, and you may not be convicted. But consider all the elements that must be proven. Consider that judges are also human and may find you to be guilty, because your defense has not been made out to his satisfaction. In that case, you will be convicted. But even if the defense works, and the judge does not convict you, then consider what you have in store, traveling this road.
If you have a magazine that appears to be illegal, a cop will arrest you and simply ignore any letter you provide from the RCMP. At best, he will staple the letter to his file and proceed with the charges. You will be forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. If you win at the lower court, the Crown may appeal. Tack another fifty-thousand dollars on top of your legal bill.
So, if you want follow this course of action, then keep your letter from the RCMP attesting to the lawfulness of your actions. And take an extra fifty to seventy-five thousands dollars out of your petty cash reserve and keep it handy. Then pray that you own lawyers does not screw up your case.
You should be fine.
The RCMP does not determine the meaning of legislation. Judges determine what the law means.
Think about it. What if an RCMP or another bureaucrat writes an erroneous statement of law? Say this erroneous statement of law is provided to you in the form of a letter. Will this letter bind a judge?
Can you imagine a judge, say, in the Supreme Court of Canada saying, “Having reviewed the legislation and listened to counsel from the defense and Crown, I find that the magazine is a prohibited device. But the RCMP said the magazine is “ok,” so we will go with that.”
I think there are two issues being confused in this thread. One issue is: “Do regulatory officials determine what is lawful and what is illegal?” The answer to that is simply “no, the courts do.”
Another issue is, “if I act upon the written advice of an RCMP official, and that advice is faulty, can I be convicted of an offence?”
Please note that officials can and do give erroneous advice. For that matter, the ruling of one judge may be over-ruled by a higher court. Thus, the determination of a lower court may be found to be erroneous by a higher court. However, in cases where a person has acted upon advice given to him by a regulatory official, in this case the RCMP, there is a lawful defense know as “officially induced error.” The principals read like this:
“The defence of "officially induced error" is available as a defence to an alleged violation of a regulatory statute where an accused has reasonably relied upon the erroneous legal opinion or advice of an official who is responsible for the administration or enforcement of the particular law. In order for the accused to successfully raise this defence, he must show that he relied on the erroneous legal opinion of the official and that his reliance was reasonable. The reasonableness will depend upon several factors including the efforts he made to ascertain the proper law, the complexity or obscurity of the law, the position of the official who gave the advice, and the clarity, definitiveness and reasonableness of the advice given.”
In certain circumstances, and perhaps even in this case, your letter from the RCMP might work as a defense. In that circumstance, a judge might enter a judicial stay of proceedings, and you may not be convicted. But consider all the elements that must be proven. Consider that judges are also human and may find you to be guilty, because your defense has not been made out to his satisfaction. In that case, you will be convicted. But even if the defense works, and the judge does not convict you, then consider what you have in store, traveling this road.
If you have a magazine that appears to be illegal, a cop will arrest you and simply ignore any letter you provide from the RCMP. At best, he will staple the letter to his file and proceed with the charges. You will be forced to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees. If you win at the lower court, the Crown may appeal. Tack another fifty-thousand dollars on top of your legal bill.
So, if you want follow this course of action, then keep your letter from the RCMP attesting to the lawfulness of your actions. And take an extra fifty to seventy-five thousands dollars out of your petty cash reserve and keep it handy. Then pray that you own lawyers does not screw up your case.
You should be fine.
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X2,
I was only trying to know which mags will function flawlessly.
And this turned into a $#!T fest.
For the people who dont like it dont do it and dont comment about it, You should be seeing this as a positive thing for gun owners.
CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC.
will mp40 mags work in the mp9...?
canucklehead
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Because as far as I can tell, no-one makes a Pistol-config'd AR in .458 SOCOM, and hence, the magazines do not exist.
You can't just mark the mag '.458 SOCOM Pistol Mag', because there are no commonly available .458 SOCOM PISTOLS in production. The two must co-exist.
If anyone ever wonders how Canadians ended up suffering the blight and misery of the worst written firearms laws in the history of written laws, please take a look at some of the responses to this simple little glitch in the law. Obviously, the law is poorly written, and again obviously by someone whose entire exposure to firearms was pictures on a printed page. I doubt the people who framed this section of firearms law would know a pistol magazine if you threw one at them. None the less, the law is what is written and the law AS WRITTEN clearly states that capacity limits apply only to the calibre for which the magazine was manufactured. It may be an ass, ladies and gents, but the law is clear on this. I find it shocking and somewhat shameful that many Canadians work so hard to make the very restrictive, unclear, and incompetently written laws under which we live worse and that they do so voluntarily. Time to grow some guys, if we don't fight every issue like it matters, we're really telling the powers that be that it doesn't matter, and that we are willing to lie down and let them do what they want. That is a very slippery slope.
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enefgee sums up our self-destructiveness. Darwin noticed that the strong survive and the weak die. He meant strength to be the ability to co-operate and overcome difficulties so a particular species can thrive. Canadians firearm owners do not fit this definition of strength.
notsorichguy
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Yes they will, they feed ok, they hold 13 rnds. but if you drop the loaded mag on the floor you wind up with a mag and a handful of bullets.
